In my quest to make every pixel look exactly the same on IE as FF i still need to find fonts that work both on IE and FF, is there somewhere a page where you can compare them ?Originally posted by gert cuykens
In my quest to make every pixel look exactly the same on IE as FF i still need to find fonts that work both on IE and FF, is there somewhere a page where you can compare them ?
If the font is installed on your computer, then it is available on both browsers and it should appear exactly the same.the problem is the one who is browsing my site have to have the font too
Is there a list of standaart fonts and examples that xp/unix systems have by default ?ps is there a easy way that a user can Download the font automaticly ?Originally posted by gert cuykens
the problem is the one who is browsing my site have to have the font too
Is there a list of standaart fonts and examples that xp/unix systems have by default ?
There aren't many, but I thought about this before (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://cmmwebdesign.com/blog/chronicles/2005/01/01/universal-fonts">http://cmmwebdesign.com/blog/chronicles ... rsal-fonts</a><!-- m -->) and I was pointed in this direction (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/sampler-Serif.shtml">http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-famil ... erif.shtml</a><!-- m -->). Hope it helps you.Originally posted by gert cuykens
ps is there a easy way that a user can Download the font automaticly ?
It doesn't seem to work in any browser that I've tested it in, but apparently you can Download fonts remotely (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/fonts.html#x40">http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/fonts.html#x40</a><!-- m -->). I don't know how reliable that is, though; like I said, it's never worked for me.pfff that @font-face thing looks difficult... o well i believe you that it doesnt work anyway
Just going to browse some serif examples from your link thx
I've tried that but never had any luck with it.i am opening the same font page with FF and IE and they still look alot different ?
is it just me ?
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/sampler-SansSerif.shtmlOriginally">http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-famil ... Originally</a><!-- m --> posted by gert cuykens
i am opening the same font page with FF and IE and they still look alot different ?
is it just me ?
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/sampler-SansSerif.shtml">http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-famil ... erif.shtml</a><!-- m -->
Looks exactly the same on both browsers for me.Browser type shouldn't have any impact on the font. The font is universally available to programs on the system, so be it IE, Firefox, Opera, or whichever, if it's installed it will be the same.it doesnt look the same to me ?
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://fastfelineracing.com/test.JPGIt's">http://fastfelineracing.com/test.JPGIt's</a><!-- m --> differnt for me too. The reason is my default settings in FF and MSIE are set differently and that site lets the browser do the work. I get the same thing and any site like that where size is not specified in the CSS. W3C is a good example. On that site, if in FF, I must crank up the text size to make it readable.In the screenshot it just looks like everything is bold. You can change Firefox's default settings of how it displays fonts (and what fonts specifically to use for generic font families). Question, though: are you using MSIE as your default browser? It appears that way. I'm curious as to why, though (if I am indeed correct).Originally posted by &gb;
On that site, if in FF, I must crank up the text size to make it readable. Sounds like you've got your default font size set pretty low then, all the text on the W3C site is quite easy to read for me without me having to alter anything.yep i like IE
ps it also looks like IE is using Antialiazing on the fonts and FF not ?Originally posted by gert cuykens
yep i like IE
ps it also looks like IE is using Antialiazing on the fonts and FF not ?
No, it's just making the font bold in Internet Explorer for some reason, and not bold in Firefox.but you have to admit it looks alot prettier in IE then in FF in my screenshot ?You can easily set XP to anti-alias fonts by enabling something called "Clear Type". I have that enabled on my box, makes things look a lot nicer. See the attached image for how to enable it.I do have it set very small on my FireFox 1.0 browser. I've been meaning to crank it up, way up like I do on my other browsers: MSIE 5, 5.5, & 6, Opera 8 Beta, and Netscape 7.2. Larger than normal, 14pt Arial. I do this intentionally as I want to be able to identify any unstyled portions of my websites during local and/or remote testing. If I missed something the large text pops and reveals itself quite well. If my deafult was set to say a 9pt. Verdana, I'd likly miss it as I use that for my pages a lot. It's extremely safe and easy to read so I like that one for the web. Big text is helpful at W3C too, so that's a side benefit.
I want to crank up the text on Firefox more as I am using it more, I like it quite a bit and think it performs better, but, yes, MSIE 6 is set as my default. I have been using computers since DOS, I first went on the web at 14kbps. PageMaker 4 could take up to 10 minutes just to open on your typical PC back then. I never went the Apple route. It's funny too because I process graphics more than data, but I like my PC, and old habits die hard.
When I make a website, if I ever do run into a situation where I must make a site for one browser over another (which is hopefully never again), I will choose MSIE. The numbers I see on my servers (we host of course), the stats of what browsers people are using are solid evidence to go the MS route. Good or evil, on our servers on any given month, the MSIE rate is around 98% (this is MSIE 5.0+).i tried it but standaart looks better for me. I still think IE has a build in antialaising or something that make the fonts looks nicer that FF doesnt have.I use clear type too. I love it.Originally posted by &gb;
The numbers I see on my servers (we host of course), the stats of what browsers people are using are solid evidence to go the MS route. Good or evil, on our servers on any given month, the MSIE rate is around 98% (this is MSIE 5.0+).A thing to think about is, are your stats biased in anyway?
I would say that thecounter.com's stats are very un-biased, here are thecounter.com's browser stats (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2005/January/browser.php">http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2005/Ja ... rowser.php</a><!-- m -->) for January so far.
An example of a site where the statistics are biased is W3Schools.com, their stats show a very large percentage of users using Firefox. Still the dominent browser is IE, but if you look at the past stats, the percentage is falling. Here are W3Schools.com's browser stats (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp">http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp</a><!-- m -->).I'm getting this info from the Ensim interface right off our server (the the information tracked is mind blowing and it's all realtime and tracked). They aren't biased, they're real numbers. It shocks me as well. Now I won't say that every server has the same, and that's were true stats and bias may come into play as they have to estimate that which hits all servers. A server with lots of Flash portfolio sites or web dev sites may have a much different ratio of browser-types visiting.
In my quest to make every pixel look exactly the same on IE as FF i still need to find fonts that work both on IE and FF, is there somewhere a page where you can compare them ?
If the font is installed on your computer, then it is available on both browsers and it should appear exactly the same.the problem is the one who is browsing my site have to have the font too
Is there a list of standaart fonts and examples that xp/unix systems have by default ?ps is there a easy way that a user can Download the font automaticly ?Originally posted by gert cuykens
the problem is the one who is browsing my site have to have the font too
Is there a list of standaart fonts and examples that xp/unix systems have by default ?
There aren't many, but I thought about this before (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://cmmwebdesign.com/blog/chronicles/2005/01/01/universal-fonts">http://cmmwebdesign.com/blog/chronicles ... rsal-fonts</a><!-- m -->) and I was pointed in this direction (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/sampler-Serif.shtml">http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-famil ... erif.shtml</a><!-- m -->). Hope it helps you.Originally posted by gert cuykens
ps is there a easy way that a user can Download the font automaticly ?
It doesn't seem to work in any browser that I've tested it in, but apparently you can Download fonts remotely (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/fonts.html#x40">http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/fonts.html#x40</a><!-- m -->). I don't know how reliable that is, though; like I said, it's never worked for me.pfff that @font-face thing looks difficult... o well i believe you that it doesnt work anyway
Just going to browse some serif examples from your link thx
I've tried that but never had any luck with it.i am opening the same font page with FF and IE and they still look alot different ?is it just me ?
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/sampler-SansSerif.shtmlOriginally">http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-famil ... Originally</a><!-- m --> posted by gert cuykens
i am opening the same font page with FF and IE and they still look alot different ?
is it just me ?
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/sampler-SansSerif.shtml">http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-famil ... erif.shtml</a><!-- m -->
Looks exactly the same on both browsers for me.Browser type shouldn't have any impact on the font. The font is universally available to programs on the system, so be it IE, Firefox, Opera, or whichever, if it's installed it will be the same.it doesnt look the same to me ?
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://fastfelineracing.com/test.JPGIt's">http://fastfelineracing.com/test.JPGIt's</a><!-- m --> differnt for me too. The reason is my default settings in FF and MSIE are set differently and that site lets the browser do the work. I get the same thing and any site like that where size is not specified in the CSS. W3C is a good example. On that site, if in FF, I must crank up the text size to make it readable.In the screenshot it just looks like everything is bold. You can change Firefox's default settings of how it displays fonts (and what fonts specifically to use for generic font families). Question, though: are you using MSIE as your default browser? It appears that way. I'm curious as to why, though (if I am indeed correct).Originally posted by &gb;
On that site, if in FF, I must crank up the text size to make it readable. Sounds like you've got your default font size set pretty low then, all the text on the W3C site is quite easy to read for me without me having to alter anything.yep i like IE
ps it also looks like IE is using Antialiazing on the fonts and FF not ?Originally posted by gert cuykens
yep i like IE
ps it also looks like IE is using Antialiazing on the fonts and FF not ?
No, it's just making the font bold in Internet Explorer for some reason, and not bold in Firefox.but you have to admit it looks alot prettier in IE then in FF in my screenshot ?You can easily set XP to anti-alias fonts by enabling something called "Clear Type". I have that enabled on my box, makes things look a lot nicer. See the attached image for how to enable it.I do have it set very small on my FireFox 1.0 browser. I've been meaning to crank it up, way up like I do on my other browsers: MSIE 5, 5.5, & 6, Opera 8 Beta, and Netscape 7.2. Larger than normal, 14pt Arial. I do this intentionally as I want to be able to identify any unstyled portions of my websites during local and/or remote testing. If I missed something the large text pops and reveals itself quite well. If my deafult was set to say a 9pt. Verdana, I'd likly miss it as I use that for my pages a lot. It's extremely safe and easy to read so I like that one for the web. Big text is helpful at W3C too, so that's a side benefit.
I want to crank up the text on Firefox more as I am using it more, I like it quite a bit and think it performs better, but, yes, MSIE 6 is set as my default. I have been using computers since DOS, I first went on the web at 14kbps. PageMaker 4 could take up to 10 minutes just to open on your typical PC back then. I never went the Apple route. It's funny too because I process graphics more than data, but I like my PC, and old habits die hard.
When I make a website, if I ever do run into a situation where I must make a site for one browser over another (which is hopefully never again), I will choose MSIE. The numbers I see on my servers (we host of course), the stats of what browsers people are using are solid evidence to go the MS route. Good or evil, on our servers on any given month, the MSIE rate is around 98% (this is MSIE 5.0+).i tried it but standaart looks better for me. I still think IE has a build in antialaising or something that make the fonts looks nicer that FF doesnt have.I use clear type too. I love it.Originally posted by &gb;
The numbers I see on my servers (we host of course), the stats of what browsers people are using are solid evidence to go the MS route. Good or evil, on our servers on any given month, the MSIE rate is around 98% (this is MSIE 5.0+).A thing to think about is, are your stats biased in anyway?
I would say that thecounter.com's stats are very un-biased, here are thecounter.com's browser stats (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2005/January/browser.php">http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2005/Ja ... rowser.php</a><!-- m -->) for January so far.
An example of a site where the statistics are biased is W3Schools.com, their stats show a very large percentage of users using Firefox. Still the dominent browser is IE, but if you look at the past stats, the percentage is falling. Here are W3Schools.com's browser stats (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp">http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp</a><!-- m -->).I'm getting this info from the Ensim interface right off our server (the the information tracked is mind blowing and it's all realtime and tracked). They aren't biased, they're real numbers. It shocks me as well. Now I won't say that every server has the same, and that's were true stats and bias may come into play as they have to estimate that which hits all servers. A server with lots of Flash portfolio sites or web dev sites may have a much different ratio of browser-types visiting.