hey all,<br />
I am wanting to learn some web design skills and just wondered what to learn?<br />
<br />
I mean, html 4.01 or xhtml?<br />
<br />
what are the other languages for, javascript, vb.net, xml, asp.net, perl?<br />
<br />
I am really interested in design but its all a bit too much at the moment, so much to filter through. I don't want to go out buy serveral books, only to find its not what I need. There doesn't seem much about in terms of providing a general overview of how each language fits into the big picture?<br />
<br />
regards<!--content-->visit those web pages are quite good...<br />
<br />
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/">http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/</a><!-- m --><br />
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/">http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/</a><!-- m --><!--content-->I have plenty of resources for learning CSS, and HTML. But how does everything fit in to the grand scheme of things?<br />
<br />
I understand html, is the basis of all design and development; I also understand CSS is a improved way of setting style and layout. <br />
<br />
What I don't know, is in what circumstances you would use javascript, asp.net, vb.net, java, xlm, perl, etc ....<br />
<br />
For example, what is perl used for? What skills are hot?<br />
What would be a good grouping of skills to gather together in one person?<br />
<br />
Regards<br />
<br />
P.S. I do appreciate your feedback, thanks<!--content-->what exactly you want..<br />
you can use javascript VBScript ASP...etc to create dinamic web pages, that meens that every time you view your web page will not be the same(e.g. display the current time...) Also ASP can be used to connect your web page with a database in order for you to view data and make any changes you want in your database using the web page... <br />
<br />
I hope you got an idea... <br />
<br />
Thanks <br />
swstos<!--content-->I have been looking over the tutorials from this site which is helping to piece together everything in my mind. I now understand that ASP (ASP.NET) creates dynamic web pages; you create ASP pages through either VBScript, or JavaScript.<br />
This can also be used to connect to backend databases (not sure if this is limited to SQL or any database).<br />
<br />
Thats cool, so if you learn html and javascript, you can pretty much do most things you'd want of a site.<br />
<br />
I also found out XML is basically a more flexible approach to html, it adds more functionality. So for example I could learn xhtml to do my database connecivity and forget asp.<br />
<br />
So what is php and perl, I assume they are just other laguages that do what xml, or javascript do. In which case you don't need to know it them all???<br />
<br />
sorry, but I am very new to all this. Been working in tech support for several years and programming was the last thing I ever thought of doing. But recently it has sparked an interest.<br />
<br />
regards<!--content-->Originally posted by johnbmcp <br />
So what is php and perl, I assume they are just other laguages that do what xml, or javascript do. In which case you don't need to know it them all???Actually, Perl, PHP, and ASP are all very different from javascript. JavaScript runs on the client side, meaning that it is dependent on browser, etc. Perl, PHP, and ASP are all server side languages, meaning that they are browser independent. I personally use PHP for all my server side programming. You can use it to connect to databases, open, read, and write to files, and so much more.<!--content-->php, perl, asp.net are all server side languages (process run on server), and can all be used for the same tasks, database connectivety etc .... (which you use is a matter of taste then, more than each do different things)<br />
<br />
scripting languages run on the client side, ie javascript!<br />
I feel I'm getting somewhere now, I just want to put together a training schedule for this year and I'm not sure what I want would be best to learn in terms of web design and development..... but all this feedback is helping<!--content-->Originally posted by johnbmcp <br />
I just want to put together a training schedule for this yearWhat do you mean by "training schedule"? Do you want to be able to add/delete entries or what?<!--content-->no sorry, should have been more clear. I don't mean I want to learn all this so I can create a training schedule for this year. <br />
<br />
Each year I set out on paper a list of skills I want to learn, this year I want to focus on web design and development. The training schedule is just my way of keeping track of what I have done, and still need to do.<br />
<br />
I am interested in web development simply because I like to be creative, and tech support deosn't allow me that luxury.....<br />
<br />
If you know what I might be best learning please feel free to let me know. I always find it best to listen to those who have been there, and done that..<!--content-->Well, here's a list of the languages I know, or am currently learning...<br />
<br />
(X)HTML<br />
CSS<br />
JavaScript<br />
DHTML<br />
PHP<br />
MySQL<br />
Perl/CGI (a bit -- I use PHP whenever possible)<br />
Flash<br />
<br />
Does that help you at all?
<!--content-->FOR PYRO:<br />
<br />
Because your mailbox is full.<br />
<br />
where can you get a free message board like this one???<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
i've seen a few ones like this...<!--content-->Maybe you'd like to try PHPBB. I've used it in the past and have been happy with it. Here's a link... <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.phpbb.com/">http://www.phpbb.com/</a><!-- m --><!--content-->Or Snitz, <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://forum.snitz.com/">http://forum.snitz.com/</a><!-- m --><!--content-->PHP is the best
<br />
<br />
<!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.php.net">www.php.net</a><!-- w --><!--content-->HELP! I've been reading through these posts to find information to help our webmaster set up a discussion forum for our site. Unfortunately, most of the info I've found here is way over my head. Our site is hosted on a privately owned (not commercial) webserver running Apache. We don't need anything real fancy, just a means for users to post and reply on various topics. We would prefer to host the forum ourselves, and avoid outside advertising. Being able to add images to the text is a plus, but not required. <br />
<br />
From what I've been reading, some sort of server side scripting code is required. I briefly looked at the "discussion forum wizard" in Front Page, but it requires "FP Server extensions" on the host server, which we don't have. Since I understand that the Apache web hosting software is open source, is there support of any scripting language(s) built in (or which can be included as an add-on)? Also, can we get pre-configured code to work with it?<br />
<br />
dmoragne<!--content-->For johnbmcp. Just so you know, DHTML stands for Dynamic HyperText Markup Language and it's a combination of the languages (X)HTML, CSS & JavaScript.<br />
<br />
HTML and XHTML are very similar so you probably won't find a book that deals exclusively with XHTML. If you already have a book to learn from then that's great, but if you don't then I'd recommend Elizabeth Castrow's HTML for the World Wide Web with XHTML and CSS. You could probably get through it in about a week but if you're starting from scratch it's better to read it thoroughly and take your time, when I read it I'd already had some practice.<br />
If you read that book then you should be able to start immediately coding using semantic (meaningful) markup. For example, not using tables for layout and not using <div> tags where a <p> tag would be more appropriate etc.<br />
It's essential to have a good grasp of XHTML and CSS in order to create future-proof pages, but unfortunately you'll also need to learn a few tricks for IE compatibility.<br />
<br />
JavaScript should only be used to jazz up pages, add in JavaScript effects after you have created your page, that way you are certain that it works in browsers with JavaScript disabled.<br />
It's a good idea to make sure that your pages are accessible when styles are disabled as well, it doesn't have to look pretty but as long as the content is delivered in an understandable way then that's all that matters.<br />
<br />
It would probably be best to concentrate on a server-side language once you have mastered and are comfortable with XHTML and CSS, ASP.NET is the newest server-side language and is supposed to be very good because it separates the server-side script from the XHTML (a bit like CSS separates presentation from content). The most popular server-side language of the hour though is PHP.<!--content-->
I am wanting to learn some web design skills and just wondered what to learn?<br />
<br />
I mean, html 4.01 or xhtml?<br />
<br />
what are the other languages for, javascript, vb.net, xml, asp.net, perl?<br />
<br />
I am really interested in design but its all a bit too much at the moment, so much to filter through. I don't want to go out buy serveral books, only to find its not what I need. There doesn't seem much about in terms of providing a general overview of how each language fits into the big picture?<br />
<br />
regards<!--content-->visit those web pages are quite good...<br />
<br />
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/">http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/</a><!-- m --><br />
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/">http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/</a><!-- m --><!--content-->I have plenty of resources for learning CSS, and HTML. But how does everything fit in to the grand scheme of things?<br />
<br />
I understand html, is the basis of all design and development; I also understand CSS is a improved way of setting style and layout. <br />
<br />
What I don't know, is in what circumstances you would use javascript, asp.net, vb.net, java, xlm, perl, etc ....<br />
<br />
For example, what is perl used for? What skills are hot?<br />
What would be a good grouping of skills to gather together in one person?<br />
<br />
Regards<br />
<br />
P.S. I do appreciate your feedback, thanks<!--content-->what exactly you want..<br />
you can use javascript VBScript ASP...etc to create dinamic web pages, that meens that every time you view your web page will not be the same(e.g. display the current time...) Also ASP can be used to connect your web page with a database in order for you to view data and make any changes you want in your database using the web page... <br />
<br />
I hope you got an idea... <br />
<br />
Thanks <br />
swstos<!--content-->I have been looking over the tutorials from this site which is helping to piece together everything in my mind. I now understand that ASP (ASP.NET) creates dynamic web pages; you create ASP pages through either VBScript, or JavaScript.<br />
This can also be used to connect to backend databases (not sure if this is limited to SQL or any database).<br />
<br />
Thats cool, so if you learn html and javascript, you can pretty much do most things you'd want of a site.<br />
<br />
I also found out XML is basically a more flexible approach to html, it adds more functionality. So for example I could learn xhtml to do my database connecivity and forget asp.<br />
<br />
So what is php and perl, I assume they are just other laguages that do what xml, or javascript do. In which case you don't need to know it them all???<br />
<br />
sorry, but I am very new to all this. Been working in tech support for several years and programming was the last thing I ever thought of doing. But recently it has sparked an interest.<br />
<br />
regards<!--content-->Originally posted by johnbmcp <br />
So what is php and perl, I assume they are just other laguages that do what xml, or javascript do. In which case you don't need to know it them all???Actually, Perl, PHP, and ASP are all very different from javascript. JavaScript runs on the client side, meaning that it is dependent on browser, etc. Perl, PHP, and ASP are all server side languages, meaning that they are browser independent. I personally use PHP for all my server side programming. You can use it to connect to databases, open, read, and write to files, and so much more.<!--content-->php, perl, asp.net are all server side languages (process run on server), and can all be used for the same tasks, database connectivety etc .... (which you use is a matter of taste then, more than each do different things)<br />
<br />
scripting languages run on the client side, ie javascript!<br />
I feel I'm getting somewhere now, I just want to put together a training schedule for this year and I'm not sure what I want would be best to learn in terms of web design and development..... but all this feedback is helping<!--content-->Originally posted by johnbmcp <br />
I just want to put together a training schedule for this yearWhat do you mean by "training schedule"? Do you want to be able to add/delete entries or what?<!--content-->no sorry, should have been more clear. I don't mean I want to learn all this so I can create a training schedule for this year. <br />
<br />
Each year I set out on paper a list of skills I want to learn, this year I want to focus on web design and development. The training schedule is just my way of keeping track of what I have done, and still need to do.<br />
<br />
I am interested in web development simply because I like to be creative, and tech support deosn't allow me that luxury.....<br />
<br />
If you know what I might be best learning please feel free to let me know. I always find it best to listen to those who have been there, and done that..<!--content-->Well, here's a list of the languages I know, or am currently learning...<br />
<br />
(X)HTML<br />
CSS<br />
JavaScript<br />
DHTML<br />
PHP<br />
MySQL<br />
Perl/CGI (a bit -- I use PHP whenever possible)<br />
Flash<br />
<br />
Does that help you at all?
<!--content-->FOR PYRO:<br /><br />
Because your mailbox is full.<br />
<br />
where can you get a free message board like this one???<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
i've seen a few ones like this...<!--content-->Maybe you'd like to try PHPBB. I've used it in the past and have been happy with it. Here's a link... <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.phpbb.com/">http://www.phpbb.com/</a><!-- m --><!--content-->Or Snitz, <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://forum.snitz.com/">http://forum.snitz.com/</a><!-- m --><!--content-->PHP is the best
<br /><br />
<!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.php.net">www.php.net</a><!-- w --><!--content-->HELP! I've been reading through these posts to find information to help our webmaster set up a discussion forum for our site. Unfortunately, most of the info I've found here is way over my head. Our site is hosted on a privately owned (not commercial) webserver running Apache. We don't need anything real fancy, just a means for users to post and reply on various topics. We would prefer to host the forum ourselves, and avoid outside advertising. Being able to add images to the text is a plus, but not required. <br />
<br />
From what I've been reading, some sort of server side scripting code is required. I briefly looked at the "discussion forum wizard" in Front Page, but it requires "FP Server extensions" on the host server, which we don't have. Since I understand that the Apache web hosting software is open source, is there support of any scripting language(s) built in (or which can be included as an add-on)? Also, can we get pre-configured code to work with it?<br />
<br />
dmoragne<!--content-->For johnbmcp. Just so you know, DHTML stands for Dynamic HyperText Markup Language and it's a combination of the languages (X)HTML, CSS & JavaScript.<br />
<br />
HTML and XHTML are very similar so you probably won't find a book that deals exclusively with XHTML. If you already have a book to learn from then that's great, but if you don't then I'd recommend Elizabeth Castrow's HTML for the World Wide Web with XHTML and CSS. You could probably get through it in about a week but if you're starting from scratch it's better to read it thoroughly and take your time, when I read it I'd already had some practice.<br />
If you read that book then you should be able to start immediately coding using semantic (meaningful) markup. For example, not using tables for layout and not using <div> tags where a <p> tag would be more appropriate etc.<br />
It's essential to have a good grasp of XHTML and CSS in order to create future-proof pages, but unfortunately you'll also need to learn a few tricks for IE compatibility.<br />
<br />
JavaScript should only be used to jazz up pages, add in JavaScript effects after you have created your page, that way you are certain that it works in browsers with JavaScript disabled.<br />
It's a good idea to make sure that your pages are accessible when styles are disabled as well, it doesn't have to look pretty but as long as the content is delivered in an understandable way then that's all that matters.<br />
<br />
It would probably be best to concentrate on a server-side language once you have mastered and are comfortable with XHTML and CSS, ASP.NET is the newest server-side language and is supposed to be very good because it separates the server-side script from the XHTML (a bit like CSS separates presentation from content). The most popular server-side language of the hour though is PHP.<!--content-->