I have several thousands links to a deep page on my site for 'seo copywriting,' and Google actually shows 216 of them in Webmaster Tools. But I don't rank for that term worth a gol-darn.
Can anyone tell me where my site ranks and why it isn't ranking better? Quote: Originally Posted by mjtaylor I have several thousands links to a deep page on my site for 'seo copywriting,' and Google actually shows 216 of them in Webmaster Tools. But I don't rank for that term worth a gol-darn.
Can anyone tell me where my site ranks and why it isn't ranking better? Based on my experience consistent building relevant links makes my keyword rank high, if I stop building links my keywords will slowly go down or sometimes with a blink of an eye your on 100+. You also have to make sure that you submit or post lnks to sites with good reputation and yes a site with a high PR can also help. I think there are at least 2 reasons leading to this result. One is your targeted keywords must be competitive. The other reason would be it is hard to use a deep inner page to compete with other homepages on a competitive keyword.
Of course, well done deep link strategy would be really helpful for your homepage ranking if you also want to target the same keyword for your homepage.
Have a nice day, My personal opinion? Assuming we are discussing this page . .
Your title has four completely different focuses. What is your primary focus? Make sure your title and heading tag reflects that.
Quote: SEO Copywriting - Hiring an SEO Copywriter - Search Engine Optimization - Beyond Meta Tags by Cyber Key Your content, while heavily using the phrase SEO Copywriting, spends very little time actually discussing the topic.
Although the page has been indexed and is cached, it shows a PR of unranked. Is the content on this page 100% unique? Why is it that Google shows no incoming links for that page? Have you considered the quality of those links? Are they new?
Quote: Your search - link:http://www.cyber-key.com/seo-copywriting.html - did not match any documents. Yes, I fully realize that Google only shows a sampling of incoming links using the link query, but that fact that they are currently displaying none, leaves me wondering.
Yeah, I know this article is way too basic, but before you can begin to implement advanced techniques, you have to focus on the basic techniques.
Just my 2 cents . . . Quote: Your search - link:http://www.cyber-key.com/seo-copywriting.html - did not match any documents. And yet Google Webmaster Tools shows me 216 links to this page.
Quote: Originally Posted by Cricket Why is it that Google shows no incoming links for that page? Have you considered the quality of those links? Are they new?
They are almost all from forums. Interestingly, I have had that link on WPW for more than a year, but WT shows only recently links, as though newer forum links overwrite older ones. Quote: Originally Posted by mjtaylor And yet Google Webmaster Tools shows me 216 links to this page.
They are almost all from forums. Interestingly, I have had that link on WPW for more than a year, but WT shows only recently links, as though newer forum links overwrite older ones. Again, just my 2 cents, but your links need to come from multiple types of sources. Articles, forums posts, network marketing, blogs, reviews & recommendations, natural sources of people linking to the site just because it offers good solid content, and so on . . .
Tell me this, based solely on the information provided on the page, what makes me want to link to you? Hi Mj,
I guess you should check the key words you are using. Or try some new seo techniques through online tutorials that you can get from Google. Quote: Originally Posted by Cricket Again, just my 2 cents, but your links need to come from multiple types of sources. Articles, forums posts, network marketing, blogs, reviews & recommendations, natural sources of people linking to the site just because it offers good solid content, and so on . . .
Tell me this, based solely on the information provided on the page, what makes me want to link to you? Nothing.
The title was "trick question: ..." The object lesson was to realize that a really nice set of forum links is not going to make a significant impact on SERPs.
Of course, it was not you whom I hoped to engage. Quote: Originally Posted by mjtaylor The object lesson was to realize that a really nice set of forum links is not going to make a significant impact on SERPs.
Of course, it was not you whom I hoped to engage. You didn't expect the admin of a webmaster forum to respond to an SEO question posted by a mentor? Are you serious?
The following is just my opinion, my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less . . .
I respectfully disagree (in part) with the conclusion you reached based on this single page. I just think there is a whole lot more pieces to the puzzle, so reaching any conclusion based on only one of those pieces can lead us down a tricky path.
If I understood correctly, you mentioned that most of the links to that page came from forums. Although the page does not currently have toolbar PR and displays no backlinks, it is still on the second page in the SERPs. As we both know, links not being displayed in the bar does not have a whole lot to do with whether or not Google is taking those links into account.
The fact that the page in question is showing on the second page of the SERPs in Google tells me that the incoming links for that page may at least play a part in the overall results or the page might very well be ranking much lower.
In my personal opinion, the thing about SEO is it all comes down to balance with every technique used. Those times that things get out of balance is when are least likely to see the results we are looking for.
Although forum posting in and of itself may not make a significant difference, balanced with a number of other links from multiple types of sources, it can make a difference. Of course it is only one PART of the whole picture because SEO isn't all about links, but you already know that. (grin)
Taking a look at one of my sites, I noted that Google does indeed display a sampling of my links from this forum. I found it interesting that the majority of those shown (V7N links) were topics highly related to my site. Again, being displayed in the sampling doesn't mean a whole lot. It's only a tiny sampling of the overall links, but it is an interesting thought.
I have been teaching SEO for a number of years now and always tell my students the same thing. If what you are doing is working, please do not consider changing a single thing. If however you are finding that you are not experiencing the results you hoped for, maybe it is time to at least consider another viewpoint. Quote: Originally Posted by Cricket You didn't expect the admin of a webmaster forum to respond to an SEO question posted by a mentor? Are you serious? You know, I have never been in this position. There was no "mentor" slot at WPW. I went from being a member to being a mod.
I very much appreciate your input, and I should probably have sent you a message about a hidden agenda. Ooops!
Quote: Originally Posted by Cricket The following is just my opinion, my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less . . .
I respectfully disagree (in part) with the conclusion you reached based on this single page. I just think there is a whole lot more pieces to the puzzle, so reaching any conclusion based on only one of those pieces can lead us down a tricky path. I appreciate and respect your opinion and the way you present it.
And I should have said the object lesson was to question the value of forum links on SERPs rather than state it conclusively.
I have also tracked my site's position for a long time, and the forum links didn't appear to have an impact on my target phrase. It's hard to be sure of that, but I actually had better position before I started posting on WPW.
You know, or maybe you don't, but I have strong impulses and strong instincts. I rely on those more than I rely on a more scientific method.
Fortunately, I believe, my impulsiveness is balanced by an open mind and a willingness, sometimes, to admit I was wrong.
Quote: Originally Posted by Cricket You didn't expect the admin of a webmaster forum to respond to an SEO question posted by a mentor? Are you serious?
The following is just my opinion, my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less . . .
If I understood correctly, you mentioned that most of the links to that page came from forums. Although the page does not currently have toolbar PR and displays no backlinks, it is still on the second page in the SERPs. Yes, all but a few from a recent ezine article. Second page of the SERPs? I see it at #214.
Quote: Originally Posted by Cricket In my personal opinion, the thing about SEO is it all comes down to balance with every technique used. Those times that things get out of balance is when are least likely to see the results we are looking for.
Although forum posting in and of itself may not make a significant difference, balanced with a number of other links from multiple types of sources, it can make a difference. Of course it is only one PART of the whole picture because SEO isn't all about links, but you already know that. (grin)
Taking a look at one of my sites, I noted that Google does indeed display a sampling of my links from this forum. I found it interesting that the majority of those shown (V7N links) were topics highly related to my site. Again, being displayed in the sampling doesn't mean a whole lot. It's only a tiny sampling of the overall links, but it is an interesting thought.
I have been teaching SEO for a number of years now and always tell my students the same thing. If what you are doing is working, please do not consider changing a single thing. If however you are finding that you are not experiencing the results you hoped for, maybe it is time to at least consider another viewpoint. I am not complaining. My home page has great position for seo web design and a slew of decent longer tailed or florida-, florida keys- and key west- phrases.
I think I would like to do more copywriting as time unfolds ... so yes, I do intend my page/site to climb for that term. I have written and planned to post some new related content for my web site, but I was beginning to wonder whether it might be interesting to change my links here to only the seo copywriting page before I do that. I have long wondered whether Google discounts the second link in a signature.
I'll be interested to hear more of your point of view. Always.
Thank you, Cricket. Quote: Second page of the SERPs? I see it at #214 Of course it would help if I would have noticed I had my search results set on 100 per page.
If you are ever interested in some ideas for that page, I would be happy to give ya some input, but I warn ya ahead of time, I don't think the issue has anything to do with forum links. Thanks mjtaylor and Cricket for the interesting discussion.
1 thing that I'd add is that you probably don't want outgoing links on the page that contain your keywords. This is telling search engines that other pages are important for these keywords. Quote: Originally Posted by Traveller1 Thanks mjtaylor and Cricket for the interesting discussion.
1 thing that I'd add is that you probably don't want outgoing links on the page that contain your keywords. This is telling search engines that other pages are important for these keywords. Again, I respectfully disagree, provided those outgoing links are used as a credible resource for the topic you are discussing.
Quote: Are Outgoing Links Harmful?
http://www.website-development-train...links-harmful/
If you write an article and would like to provide evidence of what you are saying, you should provide your resources within the article. Those MUST be credible resources. For example, if I write an article about website credibility, the site I point to in order to back up what I am saying must be an EXPERT on the topic, such as the Stanford Guidelines for Website Credibility. This method (used properly) gives your pages MORE value, not less. It also adds to the relevance of your page to the topic. Quote: Originally Posted by Cricket Of course it would help if I would have noticed I had my search results set on 100 per page.
If you are ever interested in some ideas for that page, I would be happy to give ya some input, but I warn ya ahead of time, I don't think the issue has anything to do with forum links. I am all ears. Quote: Originally Posted by Cricket Again, I respectfully disagree, provided those outgoing links are used as a credible resource for the topic you are discussing. I knew that I wrote that too quickly
I meant outgoing links to other pages on the same site. I just skimmed down the page and saw various links for SEO Copywriting keywords and looked in more detail at the bottom two links on that page "SEO Copywriter" and "SEO Copywriter: Home" and assumed they were all similar.
I could be wrong though.
Can anyone tell me where my site ranks and why it isn't ranking better? Quote: Originally Posted by mjtaylor I have several thousands links to a deep page on my site for 'seo copywriting,' and Google actually shows 216 of them in Webmaster Tools. But I don't rank for that term worth a gol-darn.
Can anyone tell me where my site ranks and why it isn't ranking better? Based on my experience consistent building relevant links makes my keyword rank high, if I stop building links my keywords will slowly go down or sometimes with a blink of an eye your on 100+. You also have to make sure that you submit or post lnks to sites with good reputation and yes a site with a high PR can also help. I think there are at least 2 reasons leading to this result. One is your targeted keywords must be competitive. The other reason would be it is hard to use a deep inner page to compete with other homepages on a competitive keyword.
Of course, well done deep link strategy would be really helpful for your homepage ranking if you also want to target the same keyword for your homepage.
Have a nice day, My personal opinion? Assuming we are discussing this page . .
Your title has four completely different focuses. What is your primary focus? Make sure your title and heading tag reflects that.
Quote: SEO Copywriting - Hiring an SEO Copywriter - Search Engine Optimization - Beyond Meta Tags by Cyber Key Your content, while heavily using the phrase SEO Copywriting, spends very little time actually discussing the topic.
Although the page has been indexed and is cached, it shows a PR of unranked. Is the content on this page 100% unique? Why is it that Google shows no incoming links for that page? Have you considered the quality of those links? Are they new?
Quote: Your search - link:http://www.cyber-key.com/seo-copywriting.html - did not match any documents. Yes, I fully realize that Google only shows a sampling of incoming links using the link query, but that fact that they are currently displaying none, leaves me wondering.
Yeah, I know this article is way too basic, but before you can begin to implement advanced techniques, you have to focus on the basic techniques.
Just my 2 cents . . . Quote: Your search - link:http://www.cyber-key.com/seo-copywriting.html - did not match any documents. And yet Google Webmaster Tools shows me 216 links to this page.
Quote: Originally Posted by Cricket Why is it that Google shows no incoming links for that page? Have you considered the quality of those links? Are they new?
They are almost all from forums. Interestingly, I have had that link on WPW for more than a year, but WT shows only recently links, as though newer forum links overwrite older ones. Quote: Originally Posted by mjtaylor And yet Google Webmaster Tools shows me 216 links to this page.
They are almost all from forums. Interestingly, I have had that link on WPW for more than a year, but WT shows only recently links, as though newer forum links overwrite older ones. Again, just my 2 cents, but your links need to come from multiple types of sources. Articles, forums posts, network marketing, blogs, reviews & recommendations, natural sources of people linking to the site just because it offers good solid content, and so on . . .
Tell me this, based solely on the information provided on the page, what makes me want to link to you? Hi Mj,
I guess you should check the key words you are using. Or try some new seo techniques through online tutorials that you can get from Google. Quote: Originally Posted by Cricket Again, just my 2 cents, but your links need to come from multiple types of sources. Articles, forums posts, network marketing, blogs, reviews & recommendations, natural sources of people linking to the site just because it offers good solid content, and so on . . .
Tell me this, based solely on the information provided on the page, what makes me want to link to you? Nothing.
The title was "trick question: ..." The object lesson was to realize that a really nice set of forum links is not going to make a significant impact on SERPs.
Of course, it was not you whom I hoped to engage. Quote: Originally Posted by mjtaylor The object lesson was to realize that a really nice set of forum links is not going to make a significant impact on SERPs.
Of course, it was not you whom I hoped to engage. You didn't expect the admin of a webmaster forum to respond to an SEO question posted by a mentor? Are you serious?
The following is just my opinion, my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less . . .
I respectfully disagree (in part) with the conclusion you reached based on this single page. I just think there is a whole lot more pieces to the puzzle, so reaching any conclusion based on only one of those pieces can lead us down a tricky path.
If I understood correctly, you mentioned that most of the links to that page came from forums. Although the page does not currently have toolbar PR and displays no backlinks, it is still on the second page in the SERPs. As we both know, links not being displayed in the bar does not have a whole lot to do with whether or not Google is taking those links into account.
The fact that the page in question is showing on the second page of the SERPs in Google tells me that the incoming links for that page may at least play a part in the overall results or the page might very well be ranking much lower.
In my personal opinion, the thing about SEO is it all comes down to balance with every technique used. Those times that things get out of balance is when are least likely to see the results we are looking for.
Although forum posting in and of itself may not make a significant difference, balanced with a number of other links from multiple types of sources, it can make a difference. Of course it is only one PART of the whole picture because SEO isn't all about links, but you already know that. (grin)
Taking a look at one of my sites, I noted that Google does indeed display a sampling of my links from this forum. I found it interesting that the majority of those shown (V7N links) were topics highly related to my site. Again, being displayed in the sampling doesn't mean a whole lot. It's only a tiny sampling of the overall links, but it is an interesting thought.
I have been teaching SEO for a number of years now and always tell my students the same thing. If what you are doing is working, please do not consider changing a single thing. If however you are finding that you are not experiencing the results you hoped for, maybe it is time to at least consider another viewpoint. Quote: Originally Posted by Cricket You didn't expect the admin of a webmaster forum to respond to an SEO question posted by a mentor? Are you serious? You know, I have never been in this position. There was no "mentor" slot at WPW. I went from being a member to being a mod.
I very much appreciate your input, and I should probably have sent you a message about a hidden agenda. Ooops!
Quote: Originally Posted by Cricket The following is just my opinion, my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less . . .
I respectfully disagree (in part) with the conclusion you reached based on this single page. I just think there is a whole lot more pieces to the puzzle, so reaching any conclusion based on only one of those pieces can lead us down a tricky path. I appreciate and respect your opinion and the way you present it.
And I should have said the object lesson was to question the value of forum links on SERPs rather than state it conclusively.
I have also tracked my site's position for a long time, and the forum links didn't appear to have an impact on my target phrase. It's hard to be sure of that, but I actually had better position before I started posting on WPW.
You know, or maybe you don't, but I have strong impulses and strong instincts. I rely on those more than I rely on a more scientific method.
Fortunately, I believe, my impulsiveness is balanced by an open mind and a willingness, sometimes, to admit I was wrong.
Quote: Originally Posted by Cricket You didn't expect the admin of a webmaster forum to respond to an SEO question posted by a mentor? Are you serious?
The following is just my opinion, my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less . . .
If I understood correctly, you mentioned that most of the links to that page came from forums. Although the page does not currently have toolbar PR and displays no backlinks, it is still on the second page in the SERPs. Yes, all but a few from a recent ezine article. Second page of the SERPs? I see it at #214.
Quote: Originally Posted by Cricket In my personal opinion, the thing about SEO is it all comes down to balance with every technique used. Those times that things get out of balance is when are least likely to see the results we are looking for.
Although forum posting in and of itself may not make a significant difference, balanced with a number of other links from multiple types of sources, it can make a difference. Of course it is only one PART of the whole picture because SEO isn't all about links, but you already know that. (grin)
Taking a look at one of my sites, I noted that Google does indeed display a sampling of my links from this forum. I found it interesting that the majority of those shown (V7N links) were topics highly related to my site. Again, being displayed in the sampling doesn't mean a whole lot. It's only a tiny sampling of the overall links, but it is an interesting thought.
I have been teaching SEO for a number of years now and always tell my students the same thing. If what you are doing is working, please do not consider changing a single thing. If however you are finding that you are not experiencing the results you hoped for, maybe it is time to at least consider another viewpoint. I am not complaining. My home page has great position for seo web design and a slew of decent longer tailed or florida-, florida keys- and key west- phrases.
I think I would like to do more copywriting as time unfolds ... so yes, I do intend my page/site to climb for that term. I have written and planned to post some new related content for my web site, but I was beginning to wonder whether it might be interesting to change my links here to only the seo copywriting page before I do that. I have long wondered whether Google discounts the second link in a signature.
I'll be interested to hear more of your point of view. Always.
Thank you, Cricket. Quote: Second page of the SERPs? I see it at #214 Of course it would help if I would have noticed I had my search results set on 100 per page.
If you are ever interested in some ideas for that page, I would be happy to give ya some input, but I warn ya ahead of time, I don't think the issue has anything to do with forum links. Thanks mjtaylor and Cricket for the interesting discussion.
1 thing that I'd add is that you probably don't want outgoing links on the page that contain your keywords. This is telling search engines that other pages are important for these keywords. Quote: Originally Posted by Traveller1 Thanks mjtaylor and Cricket for the interesting discussion.
1 thing that I'd add is that you probably don't want outgoing links on the page that contain your keywords. This is telling search engines that other pages are important for these keywords. Again, I respectfully disagree, provided those outgoing links are used as a credible resource for the topic you are discussing.
Quote: Are Outgoing Links Harmful?
http://www.website-development-train...links-harmful/
If you write an article and would like to provide evidence of what you are saying, you should provide your resources within the article. Those MUST be credible resources. For example, if I write an article about website credibility, the site I point to in order to back up what I am saying must be an EXPERT on the topic, such as the Stanford Guidelines for Website Credibility. This method (used properly) gives your pages MORE value, not less. It also adds to the relevance of your page to the topic. Quote: Originally Posted by Cricket Of course it would help if I would have noticed I had my search results set on 100 per page.
If you are ever interested in some ideas for that page, I would be happy to give ya some input, but I warn ya ahead of time, I don't think the issue has anything to do with forum links. I am all ears. Quote: Originally Posted by Cricket Again, I respectfully disagree, provided those outgoing links are used as a credible resource for the topic you are discussing. I knew that I wrote that too quickly
I meant outgoing links to other pages on the same site. I just skimmed down the page and saw various links for SEO Copywriting keywords and looked in more detail at the bottom two links on that page "SEO Copywriter" and "SEO Copywriter: Home" and assumed they were all similar.
I could be wrong though.