Greetings! <br />
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I am seeing some strange results on the web pages I have created. (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.iasb.uscourts.gov/webpages/home/default.asp">http://www.iasb.uscourts.gov/webpages/home/default.asp</a><!-- m -->) <br />
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I use frames (one across the top and a menu and main screen below) and for the most part haven't had problems. <br />
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What I have found is that when I press the Back button twice, suddenly, selecting a menu item causes the selected item to popup in a new window. What could be causing that? How do I stop it, if I can? <br />
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As a secondary question, are there any standards out there? As I am doing the web pages, the people I am working with are constantly asking me for standards on frames, styles, content, etc. and my answer is usually an "I don't think so but I don't know." Is that accurate? <br />
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Thanks! <br />
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turlough<!--content-->Well the official web standards are defined and documented at <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://w3.org/">http://w3.org/</a><!-- m --> but until recently most browsers didn't rigourously follow these; in fact some went off in almost the opposite direction.<br />
<br />
On that site you will find the definitions for the various versions of HTML 2.0, 3.2, 4.01 and XHTML 1.0, each with Standard (Transitional), Frameset, and Strict, variants. There is also stuff on XHTML 1.0, XML 1.0, and CSS versions 1 and 2.<br />
<br />
You can test your code for compliance at: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://validator.w3.org/">http://validator.w3.org/</a><!-- m --> and even if you aren't going to make your pages fully comply with the standards, the validator can point out various problems such as typos with tags, incorrect nesting, and problems with the structure and order of the various tags you have used. That information is useful even if you don't go all the way to full compliance. In fact, many people are 'almost compliant' by having well-formed code but which includes some proprietory extensions to the standards in their coding. That, to me is far less of a problem than a site that uses code "almost at random".<!--content-->standard on frames? yeah there is , don't use them
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no really frames are going out of style. you can do pretty much the samething with css (style sheets) and tables.<br />
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and your framed page doesn't open a new window when I press back twice or so. I ven clikced 5 times and went back to the beginning and it went right in to the right frame when I clicked on another link.<!--content-->I'm using win2k, IE6 and I could not recreate your problem no matter how many times I pressed back.<!--content-->Scoutt - Yes, I was hesitant to use them as well. I still see a lot of pages out there, or at least I could find recently created ones, that followed what I had done. <br />
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I think I choose frames for a couple of reasons. First, this challenged my programming to make them work as best I can while still being new to Web programming. I am still learning neat tricks on how to control the web pages. Second, I like it better when the menu doesn't move, no matter how much the main window is scrolled. Personal preference, yes, but I like that. <br />
<br />
I do agree, though, that otherwise, I wouldn't have used frames. <br />
<br />
Also, thanks for testing the site! I appreciate that! I don't know what was going on with it. I didn't see it yesterday but a co-worker sometimes will. Thanks!<br />
<br />
btw, the new URL, although the old one will still work, is simply (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.iasb.uscourts.gov">http://www.iasb.uscourts.gov</a><!-- m -->).<br />
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giz - Thanks for the ideas! I am going to try the validator and see what it tells me!<br />
<br />
Thanks again for the replies!<br />
<br />
turlough<!--content-->Greetings!<br />
<br />
Still seeing this strange results where, every once in a while, one webpage will call up a new web page instead of putting the information into the correct frame. <br />
<br />
My thought on this was that is it possible that somehow, in timing out or something, that the page "lost" the reference to the frame? Then, not recognizing it, it therefore popped it into a new window? <br />
<br />
I just managed to replicate this issue. In bouncing around the web site, a new window pops up. If I click on a menu in the old window, the new window goes to that menu item. <br />
<br />
Unfortunately, if I click in the new window, the menu opens, the frame goes to that menu item, but then the page refreshes itself and closes the menu. It keeps that menu choice in the correct frame, i.e. it does change properly. So, while most pages can probably still be accessed, the menu is suddenly useless. <br />
<br />
Has anyone seen this? Any ideas? Is there even a fix? I assume there must be as other sites don't get this.<br />
<br />
Thanks for the help!<br />
<br />
turlough<!--content-->how can there be a fix to something you don't know what's wrong. I have tried it numerious times and can't make it happen. if it is just you then I would suggest re-installing IE<br />
<br />
double check all you pages that have links and make sure you are setting the target to the proper frame and not a new window.<!--content-->
<br />
I am seeing some strange results on the web pages I have created. (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.iasb.uscourts.gov/webpages/home/default.asp">http://www.iasb.uscourts.gov/webpages/home/default.asp</a><!-- m -->) <br />
<br />
I use frames (one across the top and a menu and main screen below) and for the most part haven't had problems. <br />
<br />
What I have found is that when I press the Back button twice, suddenly, selecting a menu item causes the selected item to popup in a new window. What could be causing that? How do I stop it, if I can? <br />
<br />
As a secondary question, are there any standards out there? As I am doing the web pages, the people I am working with are constantly asking me for standards on frames, styles, content, etc. and my answer is usually an "I don't think so but I don't know." Is that accurate? <br />
<br />
Thanks! <br />
<br />
turlough<!--content-->Well the official web standards are defined and documented at <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://w3.org/">http://w3.org/</a><!-- m --> but until recently most browsers didn't rigourously follow these; in fact some went off in almost the opposite direction.<br />
<br />
On that site you will find the definitions for the various versions of HTML 2.0, 3.2, 4.01 and XHTML 1.0, each with Standard (Transitional), Frameset, and Strict, variants. There is also stuff on XHTML 1.0, XML 1.0, and CSS versions 1 and 2.<br />
<br />
You can test your code for compliance at: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://validator.w3.org/">http://validator.w3.org/</a><!-- m --> and even if you aren't going to make your pages fully comply with the standards, the validator can point out various problems such as typos with tags, incorrect nesting, and problems with the structure and order of the various tags you have used. That information is useful even if you don't go all the way to full compliance. In fact, many people are 'almost compliant' by having well-formed code but which includes some proprietory extensions to the standards in their coding. That, to me is far less of a problem than a site that uses code "almost at random".<!--content-->standard on frames? yeah there is , don't use them
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no really frames are going out of style. you can do pretty much the samething with css (style sheets) and tables.<br />
<br />
and your framed page doesn't open a new window when I press back twice or so. I ven clikced 5 times and went back to the beginning and it went right in to the right frame when I clicked on another link.<!--content-->I'm using win2k, IE6 and I could not recreate your problem no matter how many times I pressed back.<!--content-->Scoutt - Yes, I was hesitant to use them as well. I still see a lot of pages out there, or at least I could find recently created ones, that followed what I had done. <br />
<br />
I think I choose frames for a couple of reasons. First, this challenged my programming to make them work as best I can while still being new to Web programming. I am still learning neat tricks on how to control the web pages. Second, I like it better when the menu doesn't move, no matter how much the main window is scrolled. Personal preference, yes, but I like that. <br />
<br />
I do agree, though, that otherwise, I wouldn't have used frames. <br />
<br />
Also, thanks for testing the site! I appreciate that! I don't know what was going on with it. I didn't see it yesterday but a co-worker sometimes will. Thanks!<br />
<br />
btw, the new URL, although the old one will still work, is simply (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.iasb.uscourts.gov">http://www.iasb.uscourts.gov</a><!-- m -->).<br />
<br />
giz - Thanks for the ideas! I am going to try the validator and see what it tells me!<br />
<br />
Thanks again for the replies!<br />
<br />
turlough<!--content-->Greetings!<br />
<br />
Still seeing this strange results where, every once in a while, one webpage will call up a new web page instead of putting the information into the correct frame. <br />
<br />
My thought on this was that is it possible that somehow, in timing out or something, that the page "lost" the reference to the frame? Then, not recognizing it, it therefore popped it into a new window? <br />
<br />
I just managed to replicate this issue. In bouncing around the web site, a new window pops up. If I click on a menu in the old window, the new window goes to that menu item. <br />
<br />
Unfortunately, if I click in the new window, the menu opens, the frame goes to that menu item, but then the page refreshes itself and closes the menu. It keeps that menu choice in the correct frame, i.e. it does change properly. So, while most pages can probably still be accessed, the menu is suddenly useless. <br />
<br />
Has anyone seen this? Any ideas? Is there even a fix? I assume there must be as other sites don't get this.<br />
<br />
Thanks for the help!<br />
<br />
turlough<!--content-->how can there be a fix to something you don't know what's wrong. I have tried it numerious times and can't make it happen. if it is just you then I would suggest re-installing IE<br />
<br />
double check all you pages that have links and make sure you are setting the target to the proper frame and not a new window.<!--content-->