Just wondering if TCH is considering upgrading from version 4.4.4 to the current version of PHP. I would like to be able to run MediaWiki here but it requires 5.0 or later. Also, there's a nice little pluggin for WordPress to enable OpenID that has trouble with the older versions of PHP. I was able to get OpenID to work on a server that had PHP 5.05 but I would like to enable OpenID here at TCH because TCH doesn't suck. <img src="http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cool2:" border="0" alt="cool2.gif" /><br /><br />WP plugin: <a href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/wpopenid/" target="_blank">https://sourceforge.net/projects/wpopenid/</a><br />MediaWiki: <a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Important_Release_Notes" target="_blank">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Important_Release_Notes</a><!--content-->
At this time we have no definate plans to roll out php5.<br /><br />Once the demand increases for it, we will consider it.<!--content-->
<!--quoteo(post=195079:date=Nov 16 2006, 09:50 PM:name=Head Guru)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Head Guru @ Nov 16 2006, 09:50 PM) <a href="http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&pid=195079"><img src='http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/style_images/1/post_snapback.gif' alt='*' border='0' /></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->At this time we have no definate plans to roll out php5.<br /><br />Once the demand increases for it, we will consider it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->There's this woman I know that has refined the art of demanding to a most exquisite level. It is not too late to reconsider.<!--content-->
I run Linux (which is what TCH Servers run on) at home and I can tell you it is pretty challenging to go from Apache-1.x with PHP 4.x to PHP 5.x. I believe you really need to upgrade to Apache-2.x when you do this (not 100% sure). I <i>think</i> TCH is running Apache-1.x. To change the server software platform to a newer release of Apache can lead to unforeseen difficulties.<br /><br />In other words, though I would <i>love</i> to have PHP 5.x, I leave the decision up to the techs with much more knowledge than I. <br /><br />(I sure would love to have Ruby working, though...hinthint) <img src="http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tchrocks!.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":tchrocks!:" border="0" alt="tchrocks!.gif" /><!--content-->
The other side of that is that running old versions of software is dangerous and you don't have the advantage of new features, improved performance, security updates... etc., etc...<br /><br />I've been running Fedora GNU/Linux for a few years and it sort of keeps everything updated automatically. [yum -y update] <img src="http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="
" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /><br /><br />I'm sure the techs are chomping at the bit to get everything updated. Management might be thinking more about time, money, fear of the unknown, etc., etc...<!--content-->
Welcome to the forums tioat <img src="http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="
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Welcome to the forum, tioat. <img src="http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /><!--content-->
<!--quoteo(post=195079:date=Nov 16 2006, 09:50 PM:name=Head Guru)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Head Guru @ Nov 16 2006, 09:50 PM) <a href="http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&pid=195079"><img src='http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/style_images/1/post_snapback.gif' alt='*' border='0' /></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->At this time we have no definate plans to roll out php5.<br /><br />Once the demand increases for it, we will consider it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--><br /><br />I have a openid account and love it......I have a knitting blog and like to read and post on other knitting blogs and I can tell you it gets to be a real PITA to register for all of them....most require registration to post so now that openid can be used in Wordpress and Livejournal I can use my openid to log in and I am off an running.....it's wonderful and frees up my Blonde brain for other things besides keeping track of userids and pws.<br /><br />Anyway just thought I would add my take on this <img src="http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes:" border="0" alt="yes.gif" /> <br /><br />Donna<!--content-->
Welcome to the forums, tioat <img src="http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /><!--content-->
<!--quoteo(post=195100:date=Nov 17 2006, 12:59 AM:name=tioat)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tioat @ Nov 17 2006, 12:59 AM) <a href="http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&pid=195100"><img src='http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/style_images/1/post_snapback.gif' alt='*' border='0' /></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The other side of that is that running old versions of software is dangerous and you don't have the advantage of new features, improved performance, security updates... etc., etc...<br /><br />I've been running Fedora GNU/Linux for a few years and it sort of keeps everything updated automatically. [yum -y update] <img src="http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /><br /><br />I'm sure the techs are chomping at the bit to get everything updated. Management might be thinking more about time, money, fear of the unknown, etc., etc...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--><br /><br />Not always so true.<br /><br />I can not tell you how many times I have saw PHP exploits across ALL versions of php. PHP is still support 4.x versions and we keep PHP to date with the latest 4.x versions.<br /><br />I am not chomping at the bit to see massive tickets come in about broken sites when php is upgraded. <br /><br /> <img src="http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wallbash.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wallbash:" border="0" alt="wallbash.gif" /><!--content-->
The other side of that is that newer versions of software don't always play well with older versions and often have plenty of bugs with them as well, though not all of them found yet.<br /><br />When it happens, it will happen.<!--content-->
A lot of sites use old versions of scripts that have not been updated because either they don't bother to update them or the script is no longer updated. If TC updated to PHP5 a lot of scripts could possibly stop working which would result in a lot of tickets/complaints. My own script works fine on both PHP4 and PHP5 but it's only a simple guestbook script and no where near as complex as such things as a forum, blog, wiki etc.<br /><br />Once TC do update to PHP 5 they then face the question of do they switch from using MySQL functions to using the newer MySQLi functions which are more efficient but again would cause a lot of scripts to stop working (mine included). And then there is the question of updating to MySQL 5.<!--content-->
I agree that more things might break (WordPress) that would be more important than the things I would like to install that only work with PHP 5. So if you're starting a list somewhere of software that's only running on PHP 5, here's my 1-item list!<br /><br /><a href="http://www.activecollab.com" target="_blank">http://www.activecollab.com</a><br /><br />So no, I don't want to change my own hosting package (and certainly not my reseller package!) just yet, but I read that if PHP 5 is running alongside PHP 4, it can be made to work for that program. <br /><br />Just my late-night two cents. <br /><br /> - Bradley<!--content-->
If and when TCH decides to offer PHP 5 it will be announce. At this time there are no plans to do so.<!--content-->
At this time we have no definate plans to roll out php5.<br /><br />Once the demand increases for it, we will consider it.<!--content-->
<!--quoteo(post=195079:date=Nov 16 2006, 09:50 PM:name=Head Guru)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Head Guru @ Nov 16 2006, 09:50 PM) <a href="http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&pid=195079"><img src='http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/style_images/1/post_snapback.gif' alt='*' border='0' /></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->At this time we have no definate plans to roll out php5.<br /><br />Once the demand increases for it, we will consider it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->There's this woman I know that has refined the art of demanding to a most exquisite level. It is not too late to reconsider.<!--content-->
I run Linux (which is what TCH Servers run on) at home and I can tell you it is pretty challenging to go from Apache-1.x with PHP 4.x to PHP 5.x. I believe you really need to upgrade to Apache-2.x when you do this (not 100% sure). I <i>think</i> TCH is running Apache-1.x. To change the server software platform to a newer release of Apache can lead to unforeseen difficulties.<br /><br />In other words, though I would <i>love</i> to have PHP 5.x, I leave the decision up to the techs with much more knowledge than I. <br /><br />(I sure would love to have Ruby working, though...hinthint) <img src="http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tchrocks!.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":tchrocks!:" border="0" alt="tchrocks!.gif" /><!--content-->
The other side of that is that running old versions of software is dangerous and you don't have the advantage of new features, improved performance, security updates... etc., etc...<br /><br />I've been running Fedora GNU/Linux for a few years and it sort of keeps everything updated automatically. [yum -y update] <img src="http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="
" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /><br /><br />I'm sure the techs are chomping at the bit to get everything updated. Management might be thinking more about time, money, fear of the unknown, etc., etc...<!--content-->Welcome to the forums tioat <img src="http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="
" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /><!--content-->Welcome to the forum, tioat. <img src="http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="
" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /><!--content--><!--quoteo(post=195079:date=Nov 16 2006, 09:50 PM:name=Head Guru)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Head Guru @ Nov 16 2006, 09:50 PM) <a href="http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&pid=195079"><img src='http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/style_images/1/post_snapback.gif' alt='*' border='0' /></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->At this time we have no definate plans to roll out php5.<br /><br />Once the demand increases for it, we will consider it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--><br /><br />I have a openid account and love it......I have a knitting blog and like to read and post on other knitting blogs and I can tell you it gets to be a real PITA to register for all of them....most require registration to post so now that openid can be used in Wordpress and Livejournal I can use my openid to log in and I am off an running.....it's wonderful and frees up my Blonde brain for other things besides keeping track of userids and pws.<br /><br />Anyway just thought I would add my take on this <img src="http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/yes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":yes:" border="0" alt="yes.gif" /> <br /><br />Donna<!--content-->
Welcome to the forums, tioat <img src="http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="
" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /><!--content--><!--quoteo(post=195100:date=Nov 17 2006, 12:59 AM:name=tioat)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tioat @ Nov 17 2006, 12:59 AM) <a href="http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&pid=195100"><img src='http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/style_images/1/post_snapback.gif' alt='*' border='0' /></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The other side of that is that running old versions of software is dangerous and you don't have the advantage of new features, improved performance, security updates... etc., etc...<br /><br />I've been running Fedora GNU/Linux for a few years and it sort of keeps everything updated automatically. [yum -y update] <img src="http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="
" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /><br /><br />I'm sure the techs are chomping at the bit to get everything updated. Management might be thinking more about time, money, fear of the unknown, etc., etc...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--><br /><br />Not always so true.<br /><br />I can not tell you how many times I have saw PHP exploits across ALL versions of php. PHP is still support 4.x versions and we keep PHP to date with the latest 4.x versions.<br /><br />I am not chomping at the bit to see massive tickets come in about broken sites when php is upgraded. <br /><br /> <img src="http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wallbash.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wallbash:" border="0" alt="wallbash.gif" /><!--content-->The other side of that is that newer versions of software don't always play well with older versions and often have plenty of bugs with them as well, though not all of them found yet.<br /><br />When it happens, it will happen.<!--content-->
A lot of sites use old versions of scripts that have not been updated because either they don't bother to update them or the script is no longer updated. If TC updated to PHP5 a lot of scripts could possibly stop working which would result in a lot of tickets/complaints. My own script works fine on both PHP4 and PHP5 but it's only a simple guestbook script and no where near as complex as such things as a forum, blog, wiki etc.<br /><br />Once TC do update to PHP 5 they then face the question of do they switch from using MySQL functions to using the newer MySQLi functions which are more efficient but again would cause a lot of scripts to stop working (mine included). And then there is the question of updating to MySQL 5.<!--content-->
I agree that more things might break (WordPress) that would be more important than the things I would like to install that only work with PHP 5. So if you're starting a list somewhere of software that's only running on PHP 5, here's my 1-item list!<br /><br /><a href="http://www.activecollab.com" target="_blank">http://www.activecollab.com</a><br /><br />So no, I don't want to change my own hosting package (and certainly not my reseller package!) just yet, but I read that if PHP 5 is running alongside PHP 4, it can be made to work for that program. <br /><br />Just my late-night two cents. <br /><br /> - Bradley<!--content-->
If and when TCH decides to offer PHP 5 it will be announce. At this time there are no plans to do so.<!--content-->