Okay, I just found out that my webpage looks god awful :O@ in Netscape (which I managed to despise in the 2 minutes that I used it 
) and I have no idea why. My page is at <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.lunarpages.com/savizzaviz/">www.lunarpages.com/savizzaviz/</a><!-- w -->. />
Could someone please help.<!--content-->Well......it looks awful indeed. I'm no expert at all, <br />
But I myself am having trouble with netscape (4.76) because it does not have a good support for CSS. Maybe that is your problem too. It looks nice in IE, keep up the good work.<!--content-->for one thing you have tables inside of tables inside of tables which is not neccissary. if you want color in the background or table borders you will have to hard code it. NS doesn't like css. also you will have to seperate the css files. one for IE and one for NS4.x. <br />
<br />
Also NS doesn't work too well with nested tables as far as images go if you use them.<br />
<br />
that is my opinion.<!--content-->Originally posted by scoutt <br />
for one thing you have tables inside of tables inside of tables which is not neccissary. if you want color in the background or table borders you will have to hard code it.<br />
<br />
How exactly would I do that?<br />
<br />
NS doesn't like css. also you will have to seperate the css files. one for IE and one for NS4.x. <br />
<br />
what would be the difference between the two?<br />
<br />
Also NS doesn't work too well with nested tables as far as images go if you use them.<br />
<br />
Wha?<br />
<br />
that is my opinion. <br />
<br />
And it sure helps
<!--content-->Originally posted by Savizzaviz <br />
How exactly would I do that?<br />
<table bgcolor="#ffffff"><br />
<br />
what would be the difference between the two?<br />
because you can take the css out that Netscape doesn't conformt to and so IE doesn't go haywire with the stuff that makes NS look good.<br />
<br />
Wha?<br />
I meant to say if you use images as background in the tables that you have, make sure they aren't nested (table inside another table), because NS has trouble with them.<br />
<br />
<br />
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And it sure helps <br />
cool
<!--content-->Originally posted by scoutt <br />
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<table bgcolor="#ffffff"><br />
<br />
So you are saying that I would have to get rid of the CSS and just use HTML?<br />
<br />
because you can take the css out that Netscape doesn't conformt to and so IE doesn't go haywire with the stuff that makes NS look good.<br />
<br />
I guess what I was getting at was what CSS code will NS read?<br />
<br />
cool <br />
<br />
It sure is<!--content-->Originally posted by Savizzaviz <br />
So you are saying that I would have to get rid of the CSS and just use HTML?<br />
no you don't have to. if you seperate the css and load a javascript to tell what browser the user has then you can make ie look good and then netscape without having to worry about messing the other one up. that goes with the other question you had. what css will NS read? well that is a tuff one as you will have to practice and experiment.<!--content-->Originally posted by scoutt <br />
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no you don't have to. if you seperate the css and load a javascript to tell what browser the user has then you can make ie look good and then netscape without having to worry about messing the other one up. that goes with the other question you had. what css will NS read? well that is a tuff one as you will have to practice and experiment. <br />
<br />
Well then... Do you know where I could get on of those javascript codes? Or do you have one I could use?<!--content-->I use this one, but I am sure there is more out there.<br />
<br />
<br />
<script language="JavaScript"><br />
if((navigator.appName=='Netscape') && (parseInt(navigator.appVersion)==4)) document.write("<link rel=\"stylesheet\" type=\"text/css\" href=http://www.htmlforums.com/archive/index.php/\"http://yousite.com/netscape.css\">");<br />
else document.write("<link rel=\"stylesheet\" type=\"text/css\" href=http://www.htmlforums.com/archive/index.php/\"http://yousite.com/explorer.css\">");<br />
</script><!--content-->Thanks scoutt... You've been a big help.<br />
What was that you were saying about not needing the tables in side of tables? How else would I go about doing that on my page?<!--content-->table inside of table is fine, you had it so there was tables inside of tables inside of tables. just take the last (middle) table out. and if you want to have borders in netscape, like my site, then do it this way.<br />
<br />
<br />
<table Width="100%" border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" bordercolor="#0066cc"><br />
<tr><br />
<td><br />
<table border="0" Width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><br />
<tr><br />
<td>text</td><br />
</tr><br />
</table><br />
</td><br />
</tr><br />
</table><br />
<br />
that will work in NS4.xx<!--content-->is there any way to make the border not so thick?<!--content-->that is the only thing that will work in NS. I don't think it will go smaller. in IE you might be able to make it smaller then the border wouldn't work in NS.<!--content-->Originally posted by scoutt <br />
I use this one, but I am sure there is more out there.<br />
<br />
<br />
<script language="JavaScript"><br />
if((navigator.appName=='Netscape') && (parseInt(navigator.appVersion)==4)) document.write("<link rel=\"stylesheet\" type=\"text/css\" href=http://www.htmlforums.com/archive/index.php/\"http://yousite.com/netscape.css\">");<br />
else document.write("<link rel=\"stylesheet\" type=\"text/css\" href=http://www.htmlforums.com/archive/index.php/\"http://yousite.com/explorer.css\">");<br />
</script><br />
<br />
<br />
Okay, I'm your basic mental midget when it comes to stuff like this. Let's see if I understand what you're saying (so I'll know which parts to change for my own pages).<br />
<br />
"If the application equals Netscape then create the document using Netscape Stylesheet. Otherwise use Explorer Stylesheet." <br />
<br />
Is that the proper translation? More or less? <br />
<br />
There seems to be a numerical reference. Does that look for Netscape 4.x and above?<br />
<br />
I've been using style sheets a bit differently, but this sounds like it might make life a little easier for me.<br />
<br />
Peg<!--content-->well i think you have the right idea...<br />
<br />
what i get out of it is that if the people viewing the site show up as using netscape then it will open the netscape style sheet that you have created, but if they come up as using explorer then it will open you explorer style sheet. I dont think that the other number mean anything other then just basic figure-out-what-browser-they-are-using stuff.<!--content-->Thanks, Savi. I'll have to go play with the sheets to find out what works in which browser, now. <br />
<br />
So far, I've been using css and formatting the page in a sort of equivalent for Netscape. Putting in the background images and setting up the font faces and such. <br />
<br />
This sounds easier.<br />
<br />
Peg<!--content-->NS4.xx will use the netscape style sheet, IE4+ and NS^+ will use explorer style sheet. I think that is what it does. and the reason is the NS6+ can use more style sheet option compared to NS4.<br />
<br />
but it does exactly what you said.<!--content-->Well thanks again for your help scoutt...<br />
I think I will give you some good Karma just because I can. <!--content-->:boogy: cool thanks<br />
<br />
glad I could help.<!--content-->
) and I have no idea why. My page is at <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.lunarpages.com/savizzaviz/">www.lunarpages.com/savizzaviz/</a><!-- w -->. />Could someone please help.<!--content-->Well......it looks awful indeed. I'm no expert at all, <br />
But I myself am having trouble with netscape (4.76) because it does not have a good support for CSS. Maybe that is your problem too. It looks nice in IE, keep up the good work.<!--content-->for one thing you have tables inside of tables inside of tables which is not neccissary. if you want color in the background or table borders you will have to hard code it. NS doesn't like css. also you will have to seperate the css files. one for IE and one for NS4.x. <br />
<br />
Also NS doesn't work too well with nested tables as far as images go if you use them.<br />
<br />
that is my opinion.<!--content-->Originally posted by scoutt <br />
for one thing you have tables inside of tables inside of tables which is not neccissary. if you want color in the background or table borders you will have to hard code it.<br />
<br />
How exactly would I do that?<br />
<br />
NS doesn't like css. also you will have to seperate the css files. one for IE and one for NS4.x. <br />
<br />
what would be the difference between the two?<br />
<br />
Also NS doesn't work too well with nested tables as far as images go if you use them.<br />
<br />
Wha?<br />
<br />
that is my opinion. <br />
<br />
And it sure helps
<!--content-->Originally posted by Savizzaviz <br />How exactly would I do that?<br />
<table bgcolor="#ffffff"><br />
<br />
what would be the difference between the two?<br />
because you can take the css out that Netscape doesn't conformt to and so IE doesn't go haywire with the stuff that makes NS look good.<br />
<br />
Wha?<br />
I meant to say if you use images as background in the tables that you have, make sure they aren't nested (table inside another table), because NS has trouble with them.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
And it sure helps
<br />cool
<!--content-->Originally posted by scoutt <br /><br />
<table bgcolor="#ffffff"><br />
<br />
So you are saying that I would have to get rid of the CSS and just use HTML?<br />
<br />
because you can take the css out that Netscape doesn't conformt to and so IE doesn't go haywire with the stuff that makes NS look good.<br />
<br />
I guess what I was getting at was what CSS code will NS read?<br />
<br />
cool
<br /><br />
It sure is
<!--content-->Originally posted by Savizzaviz <br />So you are saying that I would have to get rid of the CSS and just use HTML?<br />
no you don't have to. if you seperate the css and load a javascript to tell what browser the user has then you can make ie look good and then netscape without having to worry about messing the other one up. that goes with the other question you had. what css will NS read? well that is a tuff one as you will have to practice and experiment.<!--content-->Originally posted by scoutt <br />
<br />
no you don't have to. if you seperate the css and load a javascript to tell what browser the user has then you can make ie look good and then netscape without having to worry about messing the other one up. that goes with the other question you had. what css will NS read? well that is a tuff one as you will have to practice and experiment. <br />
<br />
Well then... Do you know where I could get on of those javascript codes? Or do you have one I could use?<!--content-->I use this one, but I am sure there is more out there.<br />
<br />
<br />
<script language="JavaScript"><br />
if((navigator.appName=='Netscape') && (parseInt(navigator.appVersion)==4)) document.write("<link rel=\"stylesheet\" type=\"text/css\" href=http://www.htmlforums.com/archive/index.php/\"http://yousite.com/netscape.css\">");<br />
else document.write("<link rel=\"stylesheet\" type=\"text/css\" href=http://www.htmlforums.com/archive/index.php/\"http://yousite.com/explorer.css\">");<br />
</script><!--content-->Thanks scoutt... You've been a big help.
<br />What was that you were saying about not needing the tables in side of tables? How else would I go about doing that on my page?<!--content-->table inside of table is fine, you had it so there was tables inside of tables inside of tables. just take the last (middle) table out. and if you want to have borders in netscape, like my site, then do it this way.<br />
<br />
<br />
<table Width="100%" border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" bordercolor="#0066cc"><br />
<tr><br />
<td><br />
<table border="0" Width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><br />
<tr><br />
<td>text</td><br />
</tr><br />
</table><br />
</td><br />
</tr><br />
</table><br />
<br />
that will work in NS4.xx<!--content-->is there any way to make the border not so thick?<!--content-->that is the only thing that will work in NS. I don't think it will go smaller. in IE you might be able to make it smaller then the border wouldn't work in NS.<!--content-->Originally posted by scoutt <br />
I use this one, but I am sure there is more out there.<br />
<br />
<br />
<script language="JavaScript"><br />
if((navigator.appName=='Netscape') && (parseInt(navigator.appVersion)==4)) document.write("<link rel=\"stylesheet\" type=\"text/css\" href=http://www.htmlforums.com/archive/index.php/\"http://yousite.com/netscape.css\">");<br />
else document.write("<link rel=\"stylesheet\" type=\"text/css\" href=http://www.htmlforums.com/archive/index.php/\"http://yousite.com/explorer.css\">");<br />
</script><br />
<br />
<br />
Okay, I'm your basic mental midget when it comes to stuff like this. Let's see if I understand what you're saying (so I'll know which parts to change for my own pages).<br />
<br />
"If the application equals Netscape then create the document using Netscape Stylesheet. Otherwise use Explorer Stylesheet." <br />
<br />
Is that the proper translation? More or less? <br />
<br />
There seems to be a numerical reference. Does that look for Netscape 4.x and above?<br />
<br />
I've been using style sheets a bit differently, but this sounds like it might make life a little easier for me.<br />
<br />
Peg<!--content-->well i think you have the right idea...<br />
<br />
what i get out of it is that if the people viewing the site show up as using netscape then it will open the netscape style sheet that you have created, but if they come up as using explorer then it will open you explorer style sheet. I dont think that the other number mean anything other then just basic figure-out-what-browser-they-are-using stuff.<!--content-->Thanks, Savi. I'll have to go play with the sheets to find out what works in which browser, now. <br />
<br />
So far, I've been using css and formatting the page in a sort of equivalent for Netscape. Putting in the background images and setting up the font faces and such. <br />
<br />
This sounds easier.<br />
<br />
Peg<!--content-->NS4.xx will use the netscape style sheet, IE4+ and NS^+ will use explorer style sheet. I think that is what it does. and the reason is the NS6+ can use more style sheet option compared to NS4.<br />
<br />
but it does exactly what you said.<!--content-->Well thanks again for your help scoutt...<br />
I think I will give you some good Karma just because I can.
<!--content-->:boogy: cool thanks<br /><br />
glad I could help.<!--content-->