Netscape Table problem

liunx · Jan 9, 2008

Folks: 
 
I am building my own website from scratch and am coding everything by hand. I am probably not as experienced as I think I am, so forgive me if these are silly issues. 
 
My site is at <a class="postlink" href="http://www.limnworks.com">http://www.limnworks.com</a> 
 
I was quite happy with the results till I looked at my page in Netscape ver 4.75. Here are the problems: 
 
- I am using frames, the index.html file has a frameset with the following 
<FRAMESET framespacing="0" frameborder="NO" ROWS="11%,85%"> 
<FRAME NAME="MENUPAGE" SRC=http://www.htmlforums.com/archive/index.php/"menupage.html"> 
<FRAME NAME="BODYPAGE" SRC=http://www.htmlforums.com/archive/index.php/"startpage.html"> 
 
IE does fine, Netscapes shows a clear separation bar and puts in a scroll bar as well. I can get rid of the scroll bar, but the separator remains. 
 
- I have defined the font face, body font and other characteristics in a style sheet. IE works fine, Netscape seems to ignore everything and makes the page look terrible. 
 
Short of starting off with Dreamweaver, any help is appreciated. 
 
Regards, 
 
PreethTry the following. 
 
<FRAMESET framespacing="0" frameborder="0" frameborder="NO" ROWS="11%,85%"> 
 
Although things are moving towards a common standard, older browsers still support different tags that do the same job. It is fine to add two attributes as anything the browser doesn't understand it will ignore, and hopefully each browser will at least try to understand one of these. Do post a reply if this works so I know in future that this is needed for NS4.x. 
 
By the way 
frameborder="#" (1=border on / 2=border off) the W3C spec. 
frameborder="#" (yes=border on / no=border off) is not W3C spec. 
 
Good luck.I like your your website by the way. Clean and to the point. 
 
I am thinking on buying a Fujifilm S2 digital camera... have you any thoughts on this model... curious to hear from another photograher.Entimp: 
 
Thanks for the response, and I tried it but Netscape seems to be blissfully unaware.... 
 
I updated the website with my change, so you can check as well. 
 
Re the S2, I think it is a fine camera and has a bunch of supporters. I personally have been in the Nikon camp for a long time, and recently switched to the Canon camp for digital, so don't have any exposure to the Fuji line. 
 
I still believe that 50% of the photo is you, and 50% is your equipment, so a good ratio in either half will give you good results!! 
 
I would advise you to do the following: 
- Make a list of what you shoot most often, and what you are likely to shoot in the future 
- From that, come up with a list of 'must-have', 'good to have' and 'optional' features (max shutter, long exposure noise reduction, high frames/sec, battery type, lens quality, flash/other memory, etc) 
- See if the S2 fits, and then try and go play with one for a while somewhere. See if the menus make sense, controls are easy and intuitive, etc. 
- Check online to see what the processing workflow is and what tools you will need (Download , browse, adjust, print, crop, etc.) 
- Track used/new prices for a month before handing over the plastic!!!! 
 
Good luck, it was a huge decision for me and a great learning experience too. 
 
PreethNetscape 4.X does not do CSS. Well, that's not entirely true. It tries to do CSS but then fails miserabley. My advice? Don't bother trying to code for it. Focus on making the site available in Opera, IE, Netscape 7, and Mozilla. 
 
If you put everthing in style sheets, then reference them using: 
 
<style type="text/css"> 
@import url(style/core_style.css); 
</style> 
 
then Netscape 4.x just doesn't do any styling at all. It just shows the text and pictures. It isn't the prettiest, but the site is then legible. To see what I mean, view my site (<a class="postlink" href="http://www2.kettering.edu/~good3001/">http://www2.kettering.edu/~good3001/</a>) in both IE and Netscape 4.x. 
 
Doog Xelaummm 
 
<FRAMESET framespacing="0" frameborder="0" border="0" ROWS="11%,*"> 
 
also don't have 2 percentages as you will create problems there too. always use 1 as a percentage and a * so ti take up whatever the first one didn't.Originally posted by doogxela 
Netscape 4.X does not do CSS. Well, that's not entirely true. It tries to do CSS but then fails miserabley. My advice? Don't bother trying to code for it. Focus on making the site available in Opera, IE, Netscape 7, and Mozilla. 
 
If you put everthing in style sheets, then reference them using: 
 
<style type="text/css"> 
@import url(style/core_style.css); 
</style> 
 
then Netscape 4.x just doesn't do any styling at all. It just shows the text and pictures. It isn't the prettiest, but the site is then legible. To see what I mean, view my site (<a class="postlink" href="http://www2.kettering.edu/~good3001/">http://www2.kettering.edu/~good3001/</a>) in both IE and Netscape 4.x. 
 
Doog Xela 
 
uhh, since when did nn not work with css?Originally posted by pixil.magic 
uhh, since when did nn not work with css? NS 4.xx runs almost nothing under the CSS2 standards, it does run a fair bit, but not all, of CSS1. 
 
NS 7 does MUCH better, although surprisingly still has some flaws. Admittedly they're minor unless of course you desperately need to incorporate the failed bit of CSS in your page.

NeilIf you want to see how even the simplest bit of validated CSS can mess up in Netscape 4.x, then compare the view of this site (<a class="postlink" href="http://www.wessex-astro-society.freeserve.co.uk/">http://www.wessex-astro-society.freeserve.co.uk/</a>) in Mozilla, IE, Opera, Netscape 6 or 7 and how it looks in NN 4.x instead.Scoutt: 
 
The border=0 worked!! How come it is not listed in most reference sites I checked? Guess I need to do more research here. 
 
Now only if you could fix the text color and face problem - I have defined them in the style sheet and NN4.x seems to ignore them all..... 
 
 
Thanks, 
 
PreethOriginally posted by giz 
If you want to see how even the simplest bit of validated CSS can mess up in Netscape 4.x, then compare the view of this site (<a class="postlink" href="http://www.wessex-astro-society.freeserve.co.uk/">http://www.wessex-astro-society.freeserve.co.uk/</a>) in Mozilla, IE, Opera, Netscape 6 or 7 and how it looks in NN 4.x instead. 
 
Did you do know this or are you only using this as an example? 
 
Maybe a better alternative for this website would have been first, define a serious of classes in your style sheet eg 
 
.MainText {font-family:Arial; color:yellow; font-size:13} 
.MenuLink {font-family:Arial; color:blue; font-size:11} 
 
then use or ... for your main yellow text in the body and <a class="MenuLink" href=http://www.htmlforums.com/archive/index.php/....></a> for your menus. 
 
Works in all versions of Netscape as well as the other ones I believe (haven't actually tried this particular example, but a similar approach in another website worked OK for me - see <a class="postlink" href="http://www.goodthaihomes.com/eng-index.htm">http://www.goodthaihomes.com/eng-index.htm</a> in IE and then NS 4, 4.5 etc), but I'm sure the real pros here can come up with even better fixes using CSS that are more cross-compatible. 
 
Also, if they have a background pic of stars against the black of space, why have the background color an intense shade of blue? It's quite jarring to see "the blue screen of death" for a second before the background pic loads. <body bgcolor="#000000"> or its CSS equivalent is better.....and I'd also suggest a clean, clear GIF of stars rather than a badly compressed and very blurry JPEG.Originally posted by doogxela 
Netscape 4.X does not do CSS. Well, that's not entirely true. It tries to do CSS but then fails miserabley. My advice? Don't bother trying to code for it. Focus on making the site available in Opera, IE, Netscape 7, and Mozilla. 
 
If you put everthing in style sheets, then reference them using: 
 
<style type="text/css"> 
@import url(style/core_style.css); 
</style> 
 
then Netscape 4.x just doesn't do any styling at all. It just shows the text and pictures. It isn't the prettiest, but the site is then legible. To see what I mean, view my site (<a class="postlink" href="http://www2.kettering.edu/~good3001/">http://www2.kettering.edu/~good3001/</a>) in both IE and Netscape 4.x. 
 
Doog Xela Actually an even better (or at least expanded) solution and one I use often is at <a class="postlink" href="http://www.mako4css.com/csstwo.htm">http://www.mako4css.com/csstwo.htm</a> The solution means that at least you have some minimalist styles that will work in NN 4.xx available to it. 
 
NeilNo that isn't my site, just one that I picked as an example.

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