Do not hire these guys! Here is how they get you;
They tell us techs that they want to hire us, but in order for them to afford us, they have to get "Their New Major Client" signed up first. So like dummies, we techs sit around waiting. SeeksAdmin then says something along the lines of like "Hey, we want to hire you, and the New Huge Monster Client, wants to meet with your first, talk with you, about your Qualifications and such, and I am sure if you make a good impression, he will sign up with us, and then You are HIRED!"
So, what's a Tech to do? Talk to the new prospective client of course, because after all, we want that sweet job, right? Of course. We WOW the new prospective client, and they are assured by SeeksAdmin that the tech they spoke with will be heading up the team that will be dedicated to their needs as a client. The Client jumps with joy, and eagerly signs up! You as the tech get all excited that you finally get to work from home, and tell all of your friends and family, yay!
Some times goes by, and you ask, "How is everything going, when do I start?" They say soon, and say brb, and never come back. You then aks the question again, perhaps the next day, and keep asking for a week or so. They then tell you some made up, bogus story about how something happened to their finances, they were frauded, some hacker stole their credit card, paypal has frozen their accounts, their bank froze them too, and it will be some months before they could afford you, and sorry "mate".
Crushed, you feel bad for their company, and the hard times they must be going through, BUT, WAIT!!!!! Did this stop them from doing business with the new client that you helped them score, their "Biggest Client Yet", Absolutely NOT! IN fact, you message the client again, You ask if everything is ok, and if they understand why you can't be the head of the team for their support. The client pauses, and then eagerly responds with a "What do you mean, that is the reason I signed up with SeeksAdmin, because of your in-depth knowledge, and expertise, Why are you not going to be able to work with us?!?!?!?!" You gasp, shocked you then ask "You mean none of the owners, Tris or Steven told you that I wasn't able to be hired", The client again replies "No, I was not aware of that, and I am not all too thrilled about that, however since you are not there, who has been working on my precious server and sensitive data?" You reply back "I am not sure". The customer then comes back some time later, and says "They have told me that You are working on it, they said (a guy with my same first name, but spelled differently) since day one. You reply "Sir that person indeed has my first name, however my name is spelled different" The client exclaims his unhappiness.
So, as you can see, this horrid story was indeed about me. The bottom line, or moral of the story is that SeeksAdmin uses Certified Professional techs as mouth pieces to get big clients for their service. In fact they love to lie about the how, why, and whats, which then tends to make you start to think how many other lies will they tell, and how many other deep dark secrets do they have?
In fact on a side note, it's also public knowledge that not only do they lie and trick their new prospective (and probably current) clients, but they also lie about their technical skill set. They again, test a techs knowledge and ask them hard questions, that their clients have asked them in the first place, they will then utter word for word your technical advice back to the client, and usually get paid from it, but does the tech see one red cent, NO, of course NOT!
Do business them as you wish, but This notice serves as a formal warning, and total exposure to the sick and twisted dirty deed they do whilst running their business.Moved > Managed Hosting and Services.Wow, didn't know SA was like this. I wonder if they have done this to other techs as well...I am sure they have, after all I was Good friends with one of the owners, and that is how they did me in. Just imagine if you weren't friends with one of them? lol!On a site note, I see you are from the same place I am, and get this, they were planning on bringing their business to NY, HA!I am shocked as well to read this about SA. Previously I heard only good things about them.oooh shocked here tooCan this story be verified? I've been window shopping for a good server management company and SeeksAdmin has always been among the top in my list. If this story is true, though, then I'll be having some second thoughts.Verification please?WOW, shocked here too. I have always heard good things about them. ehh those thoughts went down the drain!Can this story be verified? I've been window shopping for a good server management company and SeeksAdmin has always been among the top in my list. If this story is true, though, then I'll be having some second thoughts.Verification please?How would you like it verified? This actually happened awhile back, And I do not beleive I saved all of the chat logs, as I was still under the impression that all was true, and I was indeed going to work for them.Can this story be verified? I've been window shopping for a good server management company and SeeksAdmin has always been among the top in my list. If this story is true, though, then I'll be having some second thoughts.
Verification please?
How would you like it verified? This actually happened awhile back, And I do not beleive I saved all of the chat logs, as I was still under the impression that all was true, and I was indeed going to work for them.We can start the verification process by notifying SA of this thread so they can respond.
You may want to round up all the documentation you have available, anything between you and the client, whatever you have available. Threads such as this tend to get very detailed, and detailed information will be the key for either side of this conversation.
I'll send them a PM right now, and we'll see what their version of your account is.Hi,We need to hear the other side of the story... let's wait for seeksadmin reply on this thread..Regards,BobbyIndeed, I agree we should wait on their response. SeeksTris Messaged me on AIM instant messenger some 1:45 hours ago, He stated in his message that he would be posting a reply.I can vouch for their lack of knowledge. I once worked with them quiet a while ago as my Linux knowledge was limited and when they did the initial server setup, they completely messed up the server installing incorrect versions of modules for apache making it crash and being down and some other things. Thankfully, it wasn't a production sever. After that, it took them over a month to get a refund from them and they were trying to refund me half my payment due to some lame excuses, I made sure they gave it all back. I would never ever again think about hiring those guys again. They had no clue whatsoever on how to setup a server.Alright, had to read this OP thread a couple times just to make sure I was reading it correctly. Cannot say I am surprised to see this Shaun, as you抳e made it very clear that you had every intention keeping us from doing business in NY, and after reading this unprovoked & highly slanderous post I see you抳e decided to extend that to WHT as well.
Firstly, I抎 like to point to the moderators that we have a very big problem with the title of this thread. It is highly slanderous and implies something other than what has been posted by the OP.
They tell us techs that they want to hire us, but in order for them to afford us, they have to get "Their New Major Client" signed up first.
æ–s techs厰 implies more than one no? Our current team of techs are more than happy to be a part of the team, are promptly paid, and are not here posting with you. I抦 not quite sure what kind of relationship you and Tris had, but obviously he felt he could approach you in some way shape or form to be a part of a dedicated team request.
They then tell you some made up, bogus story about how something happened to their finances, they were frauded, some hacker stole their credit card, paypal has frozen their accounts, their bank froze them too?br />
Again, private information which I see no reason to be public knowledge, but yes had an awful string of negative things happening financially. Had the PayPal account setup to autoreconcile (or whatever they call it, can抰 think of the name right now) for easier accounting purposes. Treated PayPal is purely a merchant account and not another æµank?account to hold funds. It was frozen by PayPal when there was a complaint on a $12 payment. They would not allow new payments to come in, and took nearly two weeks to fully fix that problem. Business debit card was also stolen and ran up quite a few thousand in fraud charges - not a credit card not as simple as a chargeback to get it all back, which created many problems. Can抰 say how great SoftLayer was to work with during this very trying time. Yes, of course this had to be fake right? No one here has ever been victim to fraudulent activity? Any way, just elaborated on that point to explain that ?it has nothing to do with you though Shaun.
SeeksAdmin uses Certified Professional techs as mouth pieces to get big clients for their service. In fact they love to lie about the how, why, and whats, which then tends to make you start to think how many other lies will they tell, and how many other deep dark secrets do they have?
Shaun, you were never employed by SeeksAdmin. You were never given access to private information of the clients, put in contact with the rest of the staff, or anything. So, I抎 like to see how the above is anything more than speculation. The MCSE Professionals that work as part of their teams for our relatively new windows admin offerings have not engaged in any sales related activities. I changed that policy some time ago, and dedicated teams are now assigned based on the clients?needs.
In fact on a side note, it's also public knowledge that not only do they lie and trick their new prospective (and probably current) clients, but they also lie about their technical skill set.
Where? Again, blasphemy and slanderous statements made by you.
Now?What happened with that one client was a mistake on our part. At that time, we did not guarantee that the techs interviewed would be employed. We have eliminated the interview process completely and replaced it with staff appointment based on needs and a probationary period of review should the client not like any of the members on their team.
As far as you not being hired, I decided against it because your asking rate was more than the client was paying, which would not be a problem in a semi-dedicated team but makes no sense for a dedicated team. As far as I know, your relationship with Tris was not scared at such time. So much so that, we managed several talks related to how the two businesses could benefit each other by merging windows offerings or something of the sort. Again these were talks and not plans, after discussing this with Tris ?again decided that such a move was not in the best interest of our business and we decided to add our own windows techs and offer the services ourselves w/o merging those services with some form of a competitor (more on that in a second.) Again, I still attempted to maintain positive relations with you. Was short-staffed one day on the weekend because of an ill-employee, and called in another to cover it, but had a task that wanted you to sort. After asking you the rate, again decided not to go with you when you quoted $150/hour and resolved the issue ourselves.
Wish I kept the chat or email logs, it was so long back that I cannot really recall how we chat ?so the following is hearsay unless you抎 like to admit to such. You抳e said something along the lines of Good luck bringing any business from New York, I am well known around these parts, etc. Asked you if that was some sort of threat and you said to take it for what its worth. I decided to just ignore you, because 1) nothing positive would come from discussing threats made by you, 2) was quite busy and was not worth wasting time speaking with you any further.
Question, do you not run some sort of windows IT services consultancy or business? I explained to you my concern with the conflict of interest and that we would not successfully work together. Mods - Question, since when is it appropriate for a competitor to post slanderous statements about another company on this board? (Not sure, just wondering.) You were suppose to be hired as a tech, came by way of good recommendation of your friend Tris; however, many factors led to different routes being taken. Any particular reason you decided to post your remarks now months later? Is it really an attempt to æƒnform the public?of your perverted version of the truth? Or is it (as you previously said you抎 do) your attempt to keep us from doing well in business ?out of the New York market, etc.? Just put up the ads, maybe those caught your attention and you figured hey good time to get started on WHT?
I抦 not quite sure of your motives. If anything, they let me know that I made the right decision in not hiring you.
Mods not sure if I抦 able to add this tidbit, please remove and PM me if not.
Our current clients with dedicated teams are more than satisfied, no reason to address them here. To any prospective people / businesses reading this thread?Please note this is the ranting and raving of a scarred potential employee. There is no æÂÂublic knowledge?that Shaun the original poster speaks of, other than that he has tried to perpetrate here. I抎 recommend search (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.webhostingtalk.com/search.php">http://www.webhostingtalk.com/search.php</a><!-- m -->) WHT for SeeksAdmin and view the public track record that is really there. Just like any business you抣l find the good & bad, although in my opinion a lot stronger good than bad. (Not possible to please everyone, all the time.)
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Another little comment, prior to partnering with Tris I was a brief customer of PSM (years back.) I also very briefly worked for Ronny at another popular management company to help cover a busy weekend. I know co-own and manage a management company. How appropriate would it be for me to write a review of PSM抯 services or an expos?of my opinion of how Ronny did business (through my limited scope.)
So, I ask ?how appropriate is it for an individual (that got as close as he did to things only because of a personal relationship with one of the owners, although extremely far from close enough to know anything he claims to) who was never an employee or a customer, who provides competing services to do so?
Mods: I only ask that you please rename the tread to something slightly more fitting. We have nothing to try to hide here. The title is just inflammatory, libelous and has not been substantiated by the OP. The original post contains hearsay, a ton of unproven speculation. And does not prove how SeeksAdmin is fake? WHT is very well indexed by Google, and this thread title will do a lot of damage there for many users that will make a decision based off the title alone without digging deeper to read everything.
IMO, I do not see how a competitor can be allowed to post such a thread and I wish I had the copies of the threats he made to commit such slander and æ†eep us out of New York.?br />
Shaun runs a competing business - <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.shaunscomputers.com/services/">http://www.shaunscomputers.com/services/</a><!-- m --> It is a slightly different business model from our SeeksAdmin brand, but certainly do consist of a lot of the work we do ?plus a lot of the work he know we were working on getting started on with our remote pc repair brand. Not thinking to clearly here, because I抦 a bit perturbed that I am writing this in the first place, but sounds like defamatory post to me.
Sorry for the long post. I抦 just appalled at this thread. Shaun, please note I am printing this thread, and have every intention of seeking legal counsel first thing tomorrow morning to see if there is any sort of defamation case here.I changed the thread title to accurately reflect the nature of the thread in a more neutral manner. Thread contents have not been altered.
Mods not sure if I’m able to add this tidbit, please remove and PM me if not.This is ok - it's not over-the-line, if you leave it at that.
Mods - Question, since when is it appropriate for a competitor to post slanderous statements about another company on this board? (Not sure, just wondering.)Any member who has firsthand experience of some substance with a company may review that experience. Almost all WHT members offer competing services, and almost all have some experience with each other, most of whom have shared at some point.
If you have any questions regarding how this or any thread is moderated, please contact the help desk. Thank you!Steven I would like to first state that This post is not intended to be entertained as slander, in which is what you are stating it means to you.
This client that I speak of, had nothing to do with any business dealings between you and I, or any conversations as such on any personal level. In fact the instance in which the majority of my post was about happened between tris, and myself, way before You and I ever spoke.
Shaun, you were never employed by SeeksAdmin. You were never given access to private information of the clients, put in contact with the rest of the staff, or anything. So, I抎 like to see how the above is anything more than speculation. The MCSE Professionals that work as part of their teams for our relatively new windows admin offerings have not engaged in any sales related activities. I changed that policy some time ago, and dedicated teams are now assigned based on the clients?needs.
Indeed I was briefly employed by seeksadmin some years ago (maybe 2), by tris. I never asked for pay, as it was a learning experience, however I was given a login to the portal your company had used at the time. I did also indeed do work on some servers, with the guidance of Tris himself. However, that being said, I was not stating that in this instance i was ever given access to any customers data or your staff, besides Tris himself. What I did state is that of what the client may have said in this situation, after learning of the circumstances. I did however get put in touch with the said client as mentioned to have him interview me.
Now?What happened with that one client was a mistake on our part. At that time, we did not guarantee that the techs interviewed would be employed. We have eliminated the interview process completely and replaced it with staff appointment based on needs and a probationary period of review should the client not like any of the members on their team.
This above statement again, had nothing to do with you, again it was Tris whom made this promise to me. He is the one whom asked me to talk with this potential customer of your's and he is also the one whom told me That I would be employed had this customer agreed to sign up, after his request of wanting to interview me, which took place Via Yahoo Instant Messenger. It was also said by Tris that my fee was fine, prior to asking me to talk with the customer, however he said he would be able to afford me, once this client signed up, and that I would also be heading up the team which was going to be dedicated to his needs.
Perhaps Tris should have responded to this post, as most of my dealings were with him in particular. The talks between you and I, mostly took part in a MSN conference with tris Himself, as he introduced us. The talks were indeed just talks, about how perhaps we could utilize one another's companies to better meet the needs of consumers, which of course was fine by me. In fact my company has dealings with a lot of larger I.T. consulting firms in the state of New York, and never once is there a conflict of interest, because of the mutual NDA and NCA agreements signed by all parties involved, which is what I approached you with the very first time we met, and spoke business. These types of agreements are very standard in this industry.
In no way, shape or form have I ever had or said I have had the intentions of slagging your business here in NY, had you decided to come here and do business. However I was just making you aware of the amount of competition there is here in this industry especially, hence the offer of dealings between our companies on my part. It was geared towards making it easier for your company to come here and do business, so we can all work together for 1 collective goal, a guide of sorts. I did say to you good luck in bringing your business here, as since you decided that we wouldn't be working together, it was a gesture of kindness, solely.
Again, I would like to state that this post was in no means meant as slander towards your company in any way. It was merely a post to make other people aware of things that may lead to problems for them, a Public Announcement if you will. There is no need to threaten me, or my company with legal actions.
We would also like to ask the moderators to please indeed change the topic of this post, or the wording for which seeksadmin finds it offensive, as again that was not our goal. We would also like to ask the Mods to please remove the link referencing our site in the response posted by Steven, as we also do not wish to be cached to google and other search engines in regards to this matter, as that can also can be considered detrimental to our business model, and slanderous.
All The Best,The OP has clearly lost it.We would also like to ask the moderators to please indeed change the topic of this post, or the wording for which seeksadmin finds it offensive, as again that was not our goal. We would also like to ask the Mods to please remove the link referencing our site in the response posted by Steven, as we also do not wish to be cached to google and other search engines in regards to this matter, as that can also can be considered detrimental to our business model, and slanderous. In case anyone missed this in my previous post:
If you have any questions regarding how this or any thread is moderated, please contact the help desk. Thank you!This applies to everyone. Stop sending moderating requests via PM. My purpose within this thread is to make sure everyone gets their chance to tell their sides of the story. Neither I nor anyone else will entertain any more moderation requests without documentation of those requests through the help desk (at which point requests will be considered). Thank you.Slander is not the appropriate term. Libel is...and I'm not sure it applies here. The OP seems to have some well thought out (although rambling at times, I must say) complaints.It looks like the OP was asked to reel in a big new client for SA and did exactly that. Then, when the time came for him to be compensated with a job, he was told "Sorry, your services are not needed after all.". Because of that situation, he is hurt and angry.Also, it would seem that Tris may have been the one who made promises and not Steven - so perhaps Tris should be the one addressing this? Steven's point of view may be perfectly justified but he may not have all of the pcs of the puzzle needed.Just my 2 cents after reading through both sides.--TinaExactly. I agree with Tina here. This does not seem to fall into the category of slander.In any case, we'll see if Tris chimes in here to clear up some things.This does not seem to fall into the category of slander.
Slander = Spoken words
Libel = Printed words
--TinaShaun, both Steven and I wrote that reply together, so I had as much of a say in it as he did, just because I did not post it does not mean I did not have a part in it. If you insist that I must post I will. At no point did I ever promise you a job, I did indeed say that we would hire you if we got the contract, and indeed we would have done, however due to mitigating circumstances as stated previously we could not do that and we talked on AIM and solved that out, and you stated you understood. At the time of this incident we had issues with paypal, as I am sure anyone who uses paypal for over a certain amount they know that if you have a complaint against you, and you owe money your account is put into a limited profile not being able to send, recieve, "upload" any money. Due to this we lost a lot of money for that month with which we would have paid your sallery with, and when this was coupled with the fraud on our card it was impossible to continue with the employment and as such the contract with the client fell through as they believed they were hiring you. During the time you worked for us I was teaching you Linux, because at the time our friendship was blossoming and unfortunatly over this incident it seems to have fallen apart. This was in our previous portal system and you were only given access to the information we deemed appropriate. As for the issue with the client who believed was hiring you we explained that with said client and it was sorted. The misunderstanding was out fault and it was regretable. Everything that relates to me relates to my partner and although your point of contact was through me he was updated about all our contacts and recieved chat logs. You mentioned in the post that you had no intentions of "slagging" off our firm, however the way you said "good luck" into getting into NY business suggested otherwise and when we asked if that was a threat you pretty much confirmed it by not denying it. I would like to keep the URL in as I believe it is relivant to anyone reading this thread as you are a direct competator and hence this changes the possible reason behind the post and some of the background.its a shame you decided to end a decent relationship on such a negative notethe_pm: I apologise I will field it to the helpdesk I did not see your replyTina: Indeed it would be libel and not slander. That is the correct term. As for the client as previously mentioned we lost the client due to the misunderstanding which as admited was our fault. Also I understand Shaun's situation and how he felt but there was nothing we could do due to the situation we were in as I mentioned above with paypal and our card. Lastly I apologise for my slow response, it took a while to write this and to reread logs to get my facts straight.Just my 2 cents on this.
I've worked for Seeksadmin as Windows Consultant and never got a problem with the guys there.
Always good comunication and the payments were made promptly.Do not hire these guys! Here is how they get you;They tell us techs that they want to hire us, but in order for them to afford us, they have to get "Their New Major Client" signed up first. So like dummies, we techs sit around waiting. SeeksAdmin then says something along the lines of like "Hey, we want to hire you, and the New Huge Monster Client, wants to meet with your first, talk with you, about your Qualifications and such, and I am sure if you make a good impression, he will sign up with us, and then You are HIRED!" So, what's a Tech to do? Talk to the new prospective client of course, because after all, we want that sweet job, right? Of course. We WOW the new prospective client, and they are assured by SeeksAdmin that the tech they spoke with will be heading up the team that will be dedicated to their needs as a client. The Client jumps with joy, and eagerly signs up! You as the tech get all excited that you finally get to work from home, and tell all of your friends and family, yay! Some times goes by, and you ask, "How is everything going, when do I start?" They say soon, and say brb, and never come back. You then aks the question again, perhaps the next day, and keep asking for a week or so. They then tell you some made up, bogus story about how something happened to their finances, they were frauded, some hacker stole their credit card, paypal has frozen their accounts, their bank froze them too, and it will be some months before they could afford you, and sorry "mate". Crushed, you feel bad for their company, and the hard times they must be going through, BUT, WAIT!!!!! Did this stop them from doing business with the new client that you helped them score, their "Biggest Client Yet", Absolutely NOT! IN fact, you message the client again, You ask if everything is ok, and if they understand why you can't be the head of the team for their support. The client pauses, and then eagerly responds with a "What do you mean, that is the reason I signed up with SeeksAdmin, because of your in-depth knowledge, and expertise, Why are you not going to be able to work with us?!?!?!?!" You gasp, shocked you then ask "You mean none of the owners, Tris or Steven told you that I wasn't able to be hired", The client again replies "No, I was not aware of that, and I am not all too thrilled about that, however since you are not there, who has been working on my precious server and sensitive data?" You reply back "I am not sure". The customer then comes back some time later, and says "They have told me that You are working on it, they said (a guy with my same first name, but spelled differently) since day one. You reply "Sir that person indeed has my first name, however my name is spelled different" The client exclaims his unhappiness.So, as you can see, this horrid story was indeed about me. The bottom line, or moral of the story is that SeeksAdmin uses Certified Professional techs as mouth pieces to get big clients for their service. In fact they love to lie about the how, why, and whats, which then tends to make you start to think how many other lies will they tell, and how many other deep dark secrets do they have?In fact on a side note, it's also public knowledge that not only do they lie and trick their new prospective (and probably current) clients, but they also lie about their technical skill set. They again, test a techs knowledge and ask them hard questions, that their clients have asked them in the first place, they will then utter word for word your technical advice back to the client, and usually get paid from it, but does the tech see one red cent, NO, of course NOT!Do business them as you wish, but This notice serves as a formal warning, and total exposure to the sick and twisted dirty deed they do whilst running their business.This is rubbish, Ive talked to Tris personally about this and its just a n00b that went sour.Also; I know what goes on in SeeksAdmin - They have a fairly large client base, so i don't see how all this would have happened?That n00b(TheITAdvisory) however has some issues now due to his big mouth.TheITAdvisory; Watch what you say on the internet, there is always someone around the corner waiting to pounce on you
Steven I would like to first state that This post is not intended to be entertained as slander, in which is what you are stating it means to you.
This client that I speak of, had nothing to do with any business dealings between you and I, or any conversations as such on any personal level. In fact the instance in which the majority of my post was about happened between tris, and myself, way before You and I ever spoke.
Indeed I was briefly employed by seeksadmin some years ago (maybe 2), by tris. I never asked for pay, as it was a learning experience, however I was given a login to the portal your company had used at the time. I did also indeed do work on some servers, with the guidance of Tris himself. However, that being said, I was not stating that in this instance i was ever given access to any customers data or your staff, besides Tris himself. What I did state is that of what the client may have said in this situation, after learning of the circumstances. I did however get put in touch with the said client as mentioned to have him interview me.
This above statement again, had nothing to do with you, again it was Tris whom made this promise to me. He is the one whom asked me to talk with this potential customer of your's and he is also the one whom told me That I would be employed had this customer agreed to sign up, after his request of wanting to interview me, which took place Via Yahoo Instant Messenger. It was also said by Tris that my fee was fine, prior to asking me to talk with the customer, however he said he would be able to afford me, once this client signed up, and that I would also be heading up the team which was going to be dedicated to his needs.
Perhaps Tris should have responded to this post, as most of my dealings were with him in particular. The talks between you and I, mostly took part in a MSN conference with tris Himself, as he introduced us. The talks were indeed just talks, about how perhaps we could utilize one another's companies to better meet the needs of consumers, which of course was fine by me. In fact my company has dealings with a lot of larger I.T. consulting firms in the state of New York, and never once is there a conflict of interest, because of the mutual NDA and NCA agreements signed by all parties involved, which is what I approached you with the very first time we met, and spoke business. These types of agreements are very standard in this industry.
In no way, shape or form have I ever had or said I have had the intentions of slagging your business here in NY, had you decided to come here and do business. However I was just making you aware of the amount of competition there is here in this industry especially, hence the offer of dealings between our companies on my part. It was geared towards making it easier for your company to come here and do business, so we can all work together for 1 collective goal, a guide of sorts. I did say to you good luck in bringing your business here, as since you decided that we wouldn't be working together, it was a gesture of kindness, solely.
Again, I would like to state that this post was in no means meant as slander towards your company in any way. It was merely a post to make other people aware of things that may lead to problems for them, a Public Announcement if you will. There is no need to threaten me, or my company with legal actions.
We would also like to ask the moderators to please indeed change the topic of this post, or the wording for which seeksadmin finds it offensive, as again that was not our goal. We would also like to ask the Mods to please remove the link referencing our site in the response posted by Steven, as we also do not wish to be cached to google and other search engines in regards to this matter, as that can also can be considered detrimental to our business model, and slanderous.
All The Best,
Grow up and move on before this causes you more issues " bro "
This is rubbish, Ive talked to Tris personally about this ...Tris seems to back up the OP's claims (in above post) here:"I did indeed say that we would hire you if we got the contract, and indeed we would have done, however due to mitigating circumstances as stated previously we could not do that and we talked on AIM and solved that out, and you stated you understood. At the time of this incident we had issues with paypal, as I am sure anyone who uses paypal for over a certain amount they know that if you have a complaint against you, and you owe money your account is put into a limited profile not being able to send, recieve, "upload" any money. Due to this we lost a lot of money for that month with which we would have paid your sallery with, and when this was coupled with the fraud on our card it was impossible to continue with the employment and as such the contract with the client fell through as they believed they were hiring you."That pretty much sums up exactly with the OP is complaining about.1. He was told he'd have a job if the contract came through.2. Contract came through.3. They couldn't pay OP because their funds were frozen.4. Client cancelled because OP wasn't a part of the deal.Unless I'm misreading things (which has been known to happen) - Tris agreed with the OP regarding the chain of events. I do think that the OP has a right to be disgruntled and it certainly does NOT seem that he's doing this to be malicious. On the other hand, I don't think SA was out to screw the guy over. I see it from both points of view.--TinaThank you Tina, and anyone else whom isnt direct friends or employees of SeeksAdmin for seeing my view in this matter. At least there are some good people still left out there.Many thanks, and GREAT point Tina!Tina indeed. This happened around four months ago, and to both Steven and I it seemed a very odd time to bring it up. There are also a lot of facts in the first post that were incorrect. He suggested we fabricated our issues with paypal and the fraud on our card. Niether of which were fabricated. I could also understand his frustration however we sorted this all out in chats after this. So again I question the timing of this as, as far as I was concerned this was resolved between us ages ago and he understood the situation. So yes I understand why he feels agreaved, it is just the timing of everything seems very strange just as we have started an ad campaign on WHT he decides to popup, especially after what Steven and I percieved to be a threat of running us out of new york business.[EDIT] I could understand why he would be advising people not to look to work for us, however he seems to be trying to stop people hiring us, and that is a totally different matter. Most our staff (all but 2 who act as consultants) are located in our offices, and have no issues with payment or the way the company works. If the paypal and card issues hadn't come up none of this would have happened, they did though - thats life.[EDIT] I could understand why he would be advising people not to look to work for us, however he seems to be trying to stop people hiring us, and that is a totally different matter.
Actually from his story this is what i made out :
a. You said you would hire him if client signed up, and he talked to that client persuading him to hire u guys, if i am not mistaken ?
b.So , what happens when client sign ups (thinking OP will be incharge or his server).. Here is what happens, client was
i. never informed of what happened.
ii. has no clue who is actually working on his server.
iii. is shocked to find out the person he expected to work on server is not actually even working for you guys. SO.. is shocked and feels cheated...
So, how is OP wrong, when asking others not to signup with you guys, who cheat/dupe their clients ? What i need to know is why was that "Client" op talked to and signed up with you guys was never informed of who was working on the server (and what are the chances of 2 person having same first name ? ) ... If it was not an intent to Dupe both the OP and Client why was client "SHOCKED" ....
/me awaits an explanation, cause cheating clients = no way of running a business, unless you are cheat yourself, than it justifies your actions.
PS: here is a flash back of bunny with seeksadmin
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Remember what goes around comes around !!
CheersI could also understand his frustration however we sorted this all out in chats after this. So again I question the timing of this as, as far as I was concerned this was resolved between us ages ago and he understood the situation.
So yes I understand why he feels agreaved, it is just the timing of everything seems very strange just as we have started an ad campaign on WHT he decides to popup, especially after what Steven and I percieved to be a threat of running us out of new york business.
I'm a total outsider, but what I see from this is
Tris thinks it was resolved.
TheITadvisory clearly feels it wasn't resolved.
and the situation has festered.
Not taking sides on this, but it looks to me that the situation has not been resolved.Well I thought my last response would be the last to this thread but seems I have to reply to the bunny. So this will be my last response.1. The client was never promised the staff in the interview and would have known this as he only got one staff member from the interview2. The OPs name is Shaun, and the other staff member we had working on it is was called Shawn and a different last name. However at the end of the day there was a mixup and the client believed that Shaun was meant to work for him and didn't. This was our fault for not clarifying a few facts at the start of the process, but the client left and that was all resolved with the client amicabily. We do not cheat any clients and have hundreds of happy clients, although thats not about this. I am sorry about your bad experience with us, bunny. It was two years ago however and as we all know a lot can change in two years. I have even offered you a free month or four free hours of administration to try us out again to prove that it was a one off but you rejected.Incredible... You say 1. The client was never promised the staff in the interview and would have known this as he only got one staff member from the interviewFirst off, this above quoted text from you makes no sense, let me explain;1. The client was never promised the staff in the interview -- as he only got one staff member from the interview - What?Meanwhile, even if it did make sense, as Tina has noted, You said;we lost a lot of money for that month with which we would have paid your sallery with, and when this was coupled with the fraud on our card it was impossible to continue with the employment and as such the contract with the client fell through as they believed they were hiring youSo why in the world would the client think he is getting me, if your last post (the excerpt in which i quoted in the top of mine here) is true? Also, how coincidental that he Thinks he's getting someone named Shaun, but winds up with someone named Shawn? That is pretty interesting!Another question, are you now admitting That I was indeed asked to speak with this client prior to them signing up? Because Steven said that it never happened in his post on here, and on your first post, you strictly stated that Steven and you collaborated on it? So, I beg to ask, if you collaborated on it, how come things are now starting to conflict with what was originally said, now that both of you are on here, sounds like a lot of mis-communication, and as 2 business partners, on separate sides of the world, do you not think you guys should not have stronger and better communication?There are always two sides to a story. I am sure everyone here has had couple of unhappy clients. The OP clearly stated "us techs" are used as mouth pieces and "us techs" are told we would have a job but then we wait few months blah blah...sub standard techs are used in their place..blah blah.
Clearly the OP meant to cause harm to the company. I am not affiliated with seeksadmin however couple of days ago when I was doing a search for a server management company I least read a dozen positive reviews about them. They have paid employees who are paid on time...many happy clients.
So things didn't work with the OP...he waits before seeksadmin runs a campaign on wht..hides fact that he himself is a provider as well as already stated by seeksadmin owners..he had issued the threat long ago anyhow.we have had both sides of the story plus rebuttals. is it possible to close this thread. i don't think any more accusations either way is going to help matters much or help anyone make an honest and well-researched decision.just my 2 cents.
There are always two sides to a story. I am sure everyone here has had couple of unhappy clients. The OP clearly stated "us techs" are used as mouth pieces and "us techs" are told we would have a job but then we wait few months blah blah...sub standard techs are used in their place..blah blah.
Clearly the OP meant to cause harm to the company. I am not affiliated with seeksadmin however couple of days ago when I was doing a search for a server management company I least read a dozen positive reviews about them. They have paid employees who are paid on time...many happy clients.
So things didn't work with the OP...he waits before seeksadmin runs a campaign on wht..hides fact that he himself is a provider as well as already stated by seeksadmin owners..he had issued the threat long ago anyhow.
Is it possibleyou don't understand that I have said many times, I never once threatened SA, nor will I ever threaten any company, In fact I could careless about and remote administration, as it's not a main focus of my business, all of my companies work is local. Again, it was nothing more or less then coincidental that I chose to speak up now, in fact I had no idea they were running an ad campaign.
They tell us techs that they want to hire us, but in order for them to afford us, they have to get "Their New Major Client" signed up first. So like dummies, we techs sit around waiting. SeeksAdmin then says something along the lines of like "Hey, we want to hire you, and the New Huge Monster Client, wants to meet with your first, talk with you, about your Qualifications and such, and I am sure if you make a good impression, he will sign up with us, and then You are HIRED!"
So, what's a Tech to do? Talk to the new prospective client of course, because after all, we want that sweet job, right? Of course. We WOW the new prospective client, and they are assured by SeeksAdmin that the tech they spoke with will be heading up the team that will be dedicated to their needs as a client. The Client jumps with joy, and eagerly signs up! You as the tech get all excited that you finally get to work from home, and tell all of your friends and family, yay!
Some times goes by, and you ask, "How is everything going, when do I start?" They say soon, and say brb, and never come back. You then aks the question again, perhaps the next day, and keep asking for a week or so. They then tell you some made up, bogus story about how something happened to their finances, they were frauded, some hacker stole their credit card, paypal has frozen their accounts, their bank froze them too, and it will be some months before they could afford you, and sorry "mate".
Crushed, you feel bad for their company, and the hard times they must be going through, BUT, WAIT!!!!! Did this stop them from doing business with the new client that you helped them score, their "Biggest Client Yet", Absolutely NOT! IN fact, you message the client again, You ask if everything is ok, and if they understand why you can't be the head of the team for their support. The client pauses, and then eagerly responds with a "What do you mean, that is the reason I signed up with SeeksAdmin, because of your in-depth knowledge, and expertise, Why are you not going to be able to work with us?!?!?!?!" You gasp, shocked you then ask "You mean none of the owners, Tris or Steven told you that I wasn't able to be hired", The client again replies "No, I was not aware of that, and I am not all too thrilled about that, however since you are not there, who has been working on my precious server and sensitive data?" You reply back "I am not sure". The customer then comes back some time later, and says "They have told me that You are working on it, they said (a guy with my same first name, but spelled differently) since day one. You reply "Sir that person indeed has my first name, however my name is spelled different" The client exclaims his unhappiness.
So, as you can see, this horrid story was indeed about me. The bottom line, or moral of the story is that SeeksAdmin uses Certified Professional techs as mouth pieces to get big clients for their service. In fact they love to lie about the how, why, and whats, which then tends to make you start to think how many other lies will they tell, and how many other deep dark secrets do they have?
In fact on a side note, it's also public knowledge that not only do they lie and trick their new prospective (and probably current) clients, but they also lie about their technical skill set. They again, test a techs knowledge and ask them hard questions, that their clients have asked them in the first place, they will then utter word for word your technical advice back to the client, and usually get paid from it, but does the tech see one red cent, NO, of course NOT!
Do business them as you wish, but This notice serves as a formal warning, and total exposure to the sick and twisted dirty deed they do whilst running their business.Moved > Managed Hosting and Services.Wow, didn't know SA was like this. I wonder if they have done this to other techs as well...I am sure they have, after all I was Good friends with one of the owners, and that is how they did me in. Just imagine if you weren't friends with one of them? lol!On a site note, I see you are from the same place I am, and get this, they were planning on bringing their business to NY, HA!I am shocked as well to read this about SA. Previously I heard only good things about them.oooh shocked here tooCan this story be verified? I've been window shopping for a good server management company and SeeksAdmin has always been among the top in my list. If this story is true, though, then I'll be having some second thoughts.Verification please?WOW, shocked here too. I have always heard good things about them. ehh those thoughts went down the drain!Can this story be verified? I've been window shopping for a good server management company and SeeksAdmin has always been among the top in my list. If this story is true, though, then I'll be having some second thoughts.Verification please?How would you like it verified? This actually happened awhile back, And I do not beleive I saved all of the chat logs, as I was still under the impression that all was true, and I was indeed going to work for them.Can this story be verified? I've been window shopping for a good server management company and SeeksAdmin has always been among the top in my list. If this story is true, though, then I'll be having some second thoughts.
Verification please?
How would you like it verified? This actually happened awhile back, And I do not beleive I saved all of the chat logs, as I was still under the impression that all was true, and I was indeed going to work for them.We can start the verification process by notifying SA of this thread so they can respond.
You may want to round up all the documentation you have available, anything between you and the client, whatever you have available. Threads such as this tend to get very detailed, and detailed information will be the key for either side of this conversation.
I'll send them a PM right now, and we'll see what their version of your account is.Hi,We need to hear the other side of the story... let's wait for seeksadmin reply on this thread..Regards,BobbyIndeed, I agree we should wait on their response. SeeksTris Messaged me on AIM instant messenger some 1:45 hours ago, He stated in his message that he would be posting a reply.I can vouch for their lack of knowledge. I once worked with them quiet a while ago as my Linux knowledge was limited and when they did the initial server setup, they completely messed up the server installing incorrect versions of modules for apache making it crash and being down and some other things. Thankfully, it wasn't a production sever. After that, it took them over a month to get a refund from them and they were trying to refund me half my payment due to some lame excuses, I made sure they gave it all back. I would never ever again think about hiring those guys again. They had no clue whatsoever on how to setup a server.Alright, had to read this OP thread a couple times just to make sure I was reading it correctly. Cannot say I am surprised to see this Shaun, as you抳e made it very clear that you had every intention keeping us from doing business in NY, and after reading this unprovoked & highly slanderous post I see you抳e decided to extend that to WHT as well.
Firstly, I抎 like to point to the moderators that we have a very big problem with the title of this thread. It is highly slanderous and implies something other than what has been posted by the OP.
They tell us techs that they want to hire us, but in order for them to afford us, they have to get "Their New Major Client" signed up first.
æ–s techs厰 implies more than one no? Our current team of techs are more than happy to be a part of the team, are promptly paid, and are not here posting with you. I抦 not quite sure what kind of relationship you and Tris had, but obviously he felt he could approach you in some way shape or form to be a part of a dedicated team request.
They then tell you some made up, bogus story about how something happened to their finances, they were frauded, some hacker stole their credit card, paypal has frozen their accounts, their bank froze them too?br />
Again, private information which I see no reason to be public knowledge, but yes had an awful string of negative things happening financially. Had the PayPal account setup to autoreconcile (or whatever they call it, can抰 think of the name right now) for easier accounting purposes. Treated PayPal is purely a merchant account and not another æµank?account to hold funds. It was frozen by PayPal when there was a complaint on a $12 payment. They would not allow new payments to come in, and took nearly two weeks to fully fix that problem. Business debit card was also stolen and ran up quite a few thousand in fraud charges - not a credit card not as simple as a chargeback to get it all back, which created many problems. Can抰 say how great SoftLayer was to work with during this very trying time. Yes, of course this had to be fake right? No one here has ever been victim to fraudulent activity? Any way, just elaborated on that point to explain that ?it has nothing to do with you though Shaun.
SeeksAdmin uses Certified Professional techs as mouth pieces to get big clients for their service. In fact they love to lie about the how, why, and whats, which then tends to make you start to think how many other lies will they tell, and how many other deep dark secrets do they have?
Shaun, you were never employed by SeeksAdmin. You were never given access to private information of the clients, put in contact with the rest of the staff, or anything. So, I抎 like to see how the above is anything more than speculation. The MCSE Professionals that work as part of their teams for our relatively new windows admin offerings have not engaged in any sales related activities. I changed that policy some time ago, and dedicated teams are now assigned based on the clients?needs.
In fact on a side note, it's also public knowledge that not only do they lie and trick their new prospective (and probably current) clients, but they also lie about their technical skill set.
Where? Again, blasphemy and slanderous statements made by you.
Now?What happened with that one client was a mistake on our part. At that time, we did not guarantee that the techs interviewed would be employed. We have eliminated the interview process completely and replaced it with staff appointment based on needs and a probationary period of review should the client not like any of the members on their team.
As far as you not being hired, I decided against it because your asking rate was more than the client was paying, which would not be a problem in a semi-dedicated team but makes no sense for a dedicated team. As far as I know, your relationship with Tris was not scared at such time. So much so that, we managed several talks related to how the two businesses could benefit each other by merging windows offerings or something of the sort. Again these were talks and not plans, after discussing this with Tris ?again decided that such a move was not in the best interest of our business and we decided to add our own windows techs and offer the services ourselves w/o merging those services with some form of a competitor (more on that in a second.) Again, I still attempted to maintain positive relations with you. Was short-staffed one day on the weekend because of an ill-employee, and called in another to cover it, but had a task that wanted you to sort. After asking you the rate, again decided not to go with you when you quoted $150/hour and resolved the issue ourselves.
Wish I kept the chat or email logs, it was so long back that I cannot really recall how we chat ?so the following is hearsay unless you抎 like to admit to such. You抳e said something along the lines of Good luck bringing any business from New York, I am well known around these parts, etc. Asked you if that was some sort of threat and you said to take it for what its worth. I decided to just ignore you, because 1) nothing positive would come from discussing threats made by you, 2) was quite busy and was not worth wasting time speaking with you any further.
Question, do you not run some sort of windows IT services consultancy or business? I explained to you my concern with the conflict of interest and that we would not successfully work together. Mods - Question, since when is it appropriate for a competitor to post slanderous statements about another company on this board? (Not sure, just wondering.) You were suppose to be hired as a tech, came by way of good recommendation of your friend Tris; however, many factors led to different routes being taken. Any particular reason you decided to post your remarks now months later? Is it really an attempt to æƒnform the public?of your perverted version of the truth? Or is it (as you previously said you抎 do) your attempt to keep us from doing well in business ?out of the New York market, etc.? Just put up the ads, maybe those caught your attention and you figured hey good time to get started on WHT?
I抦 not quite sure of your motives. If anything, they let me know that I made the right decision in not hiring you.
Mods not sure if I抦 able to add this tidbit, please remove and PM me if not.
Our current clients with dedicated teams are more than satisfied, no reason to address them here. To any prospective people / businesses reading this thread?Please note this is the ranting and raving of a scarred potential employee. There is no æÂÂublic knowledge?that Shaun the original poster speaks of, other than that he has tried to perpetrate here. I抎 recommend search (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.webhostingtalk.com/search.php">http://www.webhostingtalk.com/search.php</a><!-- m -->) WHT for SeeksAdmin and view the public track record that is really there. Just like any business you抣l find the good & bad, although in my opinion a lot stronger good than bad. (Not possible to please everyone, all the time.)
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Another little comment, prior to partnering with Tris I was a brief customer of PSM (years back.) I also very briefly worked for Ronny at another popular management company to help cover a busy weekend. I know co-own and manage a management company. How appropriate would it be for me to write a review of PSM抯 services or an expos?of my opinion of how Ronny did business (through my limited scope.)
So, I ask ?how appropriate is it for an individual (that got as close as he did to things only because of a personal relationship with one of the owners, although extremely far from close enough to know anything he claims to) who was never an employee or a customer, who provides competing services to do so?
Mods: I only ask that you please rename the tread to something slightly more fitting. We have nothing to try to hide here. The title is just inflammatory, libelous and has not been substantiated by the OP. The original post contains hearsay, a ton of unproven speculation. And does not prove how SeeksAdmin is fake? WHT is very well indexed by Google, and this thread title will do a lot of damage there for many users that will make a decision based off the title alone without digging deeper to read everything.
IMO, I do not see how a competitor can be allowed to post such a thread and I wish I had the copies of the threats he made to commit such slander and æ†eep us out of New York.?br />
Shaun runs a competing business - <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.shaunscomputers.com/services/">http://www.shaunscomputers.com/services/</a><!-- m --> It is a slightly different business model from our SeeksAdmin brand, but certainly do consist of a lot of the work we do ?plus a lot of the work he know we were working on getting started on with our remote pc repair brand. Not thinking to clearly here, because I抦 a bit perturbed that I am writing this in the first place, but sounds like defamatory post to me.
Sorry for the long post. I抦 just appalled at this thread. Shaun, please note I am printing this thread, and have every intention of seeking legal counsel first thing tomorrow morning to see if there is any sort of defamation case here.I changed the thread title to accurately reflect the nature of the thread in a more neutral manner. Thread contents have not been altered.
Mods not sure if I’m able to add this tidbit, please remove and PM me if not.This is ok - it's not over-the-line, if you leave it at that.
Mods - Question, since when is it appropriate for a competitor to post slanderous statements about another company on this board? (Not sure, just wondering.)Any member who has firsthand experience of some substance with a company may review that experience. Almost all WHT members offer competing services, and almost all have some experience with each other, most of whom have shared at some point.
If you have any questions regarding how this or any thread is moderated, please contact the help desk. Thank you!Steven I would like to first state that This post is not intended to be entertained as slander, in which is what you are stating it means to you.
This client that I speak of, had nothing to do with any business dealings between you and I, or any conversations as such on any personal level. In fact the instance in which the majority of my post was about happened between tris, and myself, way before You and I ever spoke.
Shaun, you were never employed by SeeksAdmin. You were never given access to private information of the clients, put in contact with the rest of the staff, or anything. So, I抎 like to see how the above is anything more than speculation. The MCSE Professionals that work as part of their teams for our relatively new windows admin offerings have not engaged in any sales related activities. I changed that policy some time ago, and dedicated teams are now assigned based on the clients?needs.
Indeed I was briefly employed by seeksadmin some years ago (maybe 2), by tris. I never asked for pay, as it was a learning experience, however I was given a login to the portal your company had used at the time. I did also indeed do work on some servers, with the guidance of Tris himself. However, that being said, I was not stating that in this instance i was ever given access to any customers data or your staff, besides Tris himself. What I did state is that of what the client may have said in this situation, after learning of the circumstances. I did however get put in touch with the said client as mentioned to have him interview me.
Now?What happened with that one client was a mistake on our part. At that time, we did not guarantee that the techs interviewed would be employed. We have eliminated the interview process completely and replaced it with staff appointment based on needs and a probationary period of review should the client not like any of the members on their team.
This above statement again, had nothing to do with you, again it was Tris whom made this promise to me. He is the one whom asked me to talk with this potential customer of your's and he is also the one whom told me That I would be employed had this customer agreed to sign up, after his request of wanting to interview me, which took place Via Yahoo Instant Messenger. It was also said by Tris that my fee was fine, prior to asking me to talk with the customer, however he said he would be able to afford me, once this client signed up, and that I would also be heading up the team which was going to be dedicated to his needs.
Perhaps Tris should have responded to this post, as most of my dealings were with him in particular. The talks between you and I, mostly took part in a MSN conference with tris Himself, as he introduced us. The talks were indeed just talks, about how perhaps we could utilize one another's companies to better meet the needs of consumers, which of course was fine by me. In fact my company has dealings with a lot of larger I.T. consulting firms in the state of New York, and never once is there a conflict of interest, because of the mutual NDA and NCA agreements signed by all parties involved, which is what I approached you with the very first time we met, and spoke business. These types of agreements are very standard in this industry.
In no way, shape or form have I ever had or said I have had the intentions of slagging your business here in NY, had you decided to come here and do business. However I was just making you aware of the amount of competition there is here in this industry especially, hence the offer of dealings between our companies on my part. It was geared towards making it easier for your company to come here and do business, so we can all work together for 1 collective goal, a guide of sorts. I did say to you good luck in bringing your business here, as since you decided that we wouldn't be working together, it was a gesture of kindness, solely.
Again, I would like to state that this post was in no means meant as slander towards your company in any way. It was merely a post to make other people aware of things that may lead to problems for them, a Public Announcement if you will. There is no need to threaten me, or my company with legal actions.
We would also like to ask the moderators to please indeed change the topic of this post, or the wording for which seeksadmin finds it offensive, as again that was not our goal. We would also like to ask the Mods to please remove the link referencing our site in the response posted by Steven, as we also do not wish to be cached to google and other search engines in regards to this matter, as that can also can be considered detrimental to our business model, and slanderous.
All The Best,The OP has clearly lost it.We would also like to ask the moderators to please indeed change the topic of this post, or the wording for which seeksadmin finds it offensive, as again that was not our goal. We would also like to ask the Mods to please remove the link referencing our site in the response posted by Steven, as we also do not wish to be cached to google and other search engines in regards to this matter, as that can also can be considered detrimental to our business model, and slanderous. In case anyone missed this in my previous post:
If you have any questions regarding how this or any thread is moderated, please contact the help desk. Thank you!This applies to everyone. Stop sending moderating requests via PM. My purpose within this thread is to make sure everyone gets their chance to tell their sides of the story. Neither I nor anyone else will entertain any more moderation requests without documentation of those requests through the help desk (at which point requests will be considered). Thank you.Slander is not the appropriate term. Libel is...and I'm not sure it applies here. The OP seems to have some well thought out (although rambling at times, I must say) complaints.It looks like the OP was asked to reel in a big new client for SA and did exactly that. Then, when the time came for him to be compensated with a job, he was told "Sorry, your services are not needed after all.". Because of that situation, he is hurt and angry.Also, it would seem that Tris may have been the one who made promises and not Steven - so perhaps Tris should be the one addressing this? Steven's point of view may be perfectly justified but he may not have all of the pcs of the puzzle needed.Just my 2 cents after reading through both sides.--TinaExactly. I agree with Tina here. This does not seem to fall into the category of slander.In any case, we'll see if Tris chimes in here to clear up some things.This does not seem to fall into the category of slander.
Slander = Spoken words
Libel = Printed words
--TinaShaun, both Steven and I wrote that reply together, so I had as much of a say in it as he did, just because I did not post it does not mean I did not have a part in it. If you insist that I must post I will. At no point did I ever promise you a job, I did indeed say that we would hire you if we got the contract, and indeed we would have done, however due to mitigating circumstances as stated previously we could not do that and we talked on AIM and solved that out, and you stated you understood. At the time of this incident we had issues with paypal, as I am sure anyone who uses paypal for over a certain amount they know that if you have a complaint against you, and you owe money your account is put into a limited profile not being able to send, recieve, "upload" any money. Due to this we lost a lot of money for that month with which we would have paid your sallery with, and when this was coupled with the fraud on our card it was impossible to continue with the employment and as such the contract with the client fell through as they believed they were hiring you. During the time you worked for us I was teaching you Linux, because at the time our friendship was blossoming and unfortunatly over this incident it seems to have fallen apart. This was in our previous portal system and you were only given access to the information we deemed appropriate. As for the issue with the client who believed was hiring you we explained that with said client and it was sorted. The misunderstanding was out fault and it was regretable. Everything that relates to me relates to my partner and although your point of contact was through me he was updated about all our contacts and recieved chat logs. You mentioned in the post that you had no intentions of "slagging" off our firm, however the way you said "good luck" into getting into NY business suggested otherwise and when we asked if that was a threat you pretty much confirmed it by not denying it. I would like to keep the URL in as I believe it is relivant to anyone reading this thread as you are a direct competator and hence this changes the possible reason behind the post and some of the background.its a shame you decided to end a decent relationship on such a negative notethe_pm: I apologise I will field it to the helpdesk I did not see your replyTina: Indeed it would be libel and not slander. That is the correct term. As for the client as previously mentioned we lost the client due to the misunderstanding which as admited was our fault. Also I understand Shaun's situation and how he felt but there was nothing we could do due to the situation we were in as I mentioned above with paypal and our card. Lastly I apologise for my slow response, it took a while to write this and to reread logs to get my facts straight.Just my 2 cents on this.
I've worked for Seeksadmin as Windows Consultant and never got a problem with the guys there.
Always good comunication and the payments were made promptly.Do not hire these guys! Here is how they get you;They tell us techs that they want to hire us, but in order for them to afford us, they have to get "Their New Major Client" signed up first. So like dummies, we techs sit around waiting. SeeksAdmin then says something along the lines of like "Hey, we want to hire you, and the New Huge Monster Client, wants to meet with your first, talk with you, about your Qualifications and such, and I am sure if you make a good impression, he will sign up with us, and then You are HIRED!" So, what's a Tech to do? Talk to the new prospective client of course, because after all, we want that sweet job, right? Of course. We WOW the new prospective client, and they are assured by SeeksAdmin that the tech they spoke with will be heading up the team that will be dedicated to their needs as a client. The Client jumps with joy, and eagerly signs up! You as the tech get all excited that you finally get to work from home, and tell all of your friends and family, yay! Some times goes by, and you ask, "How is everything going, when do I start?" They say soon, and say brb, and never come back. You then aks the question again, perhaps the next day, and keep asking for a week or so. They then tell you some made up, bogus story about how something happened to their finances, they were frauded, some hacker stole their credit card, paypal has frozen their accounts, their bank froze them too, and it will be some months before they could afford you, and sorry "mate". Crushed, you feel bad for their company, and the hard times they must be going through, BUT, WAIT!!!!! Did this stop them from doing business with the new client that you helped them score, their "Biggest Client Yet", Absolutely NOT! IN fact, you message the client again, You ask if everything is ok, and if they understand why you can't be the head of the team for their support. The client pauses, and then eagerly responds with a "What do you mean, that is the reason I signed up with SeeksAdmin, because of your in-depth knowledge, and expertise, Why are you not going to be able to work with us?!?!?!?!" You gasp, shocked you then ask "You mean none of the owners, Tris or Steven told you that I wasn't able to be hired", The client again replies "No, I was not aware of that, and I am not all too thrilled about that, however since you are not there, who has been working on my precious server and sensitive data?" You reply back "I am not sure". The customer then comes back some time later, and says "They have told me that You are working on it, they said (a guy with my same first name, but spelled differently) since day one. You reply "Sir that person indeed has my first name, however my name is spelled different" The client exclaims his unhappiness.So, as you can see, this horrid story was indeed about me. The bottom line, or moral of the story is that SeeksAdmin uses Certified Professional techs as mouth pieces to get big clients for their service. In fact they love to lie about the how, why, and whats, which then tends to make you start to think how many other lies will they tell, and how many other deep dark secrets do they have?In fact on a side note, it's also public knowledge that not only do they lie and trick their new prospective (and probably current) clients, but they also lie about their technical skill set. They again, test a techs knowledge and ask them hard questions, that their clients have asked them in the first place, they will then utter word for word your technical advice back to the client, and usually get paid from it, but does the tech see one red cent, NO, of course NOT!Do business them as you wish, but This notice serves as a formal warning, and total exposure to the sick and twisted dirty deed they do whilst running their business.This is rubbish, Ive talked to Tris personally about this and its just a n00b that went sour.Also; I know what goes on in SeeksAdmin - They have a fairly large client base, so i don't see how all this would have happened?That n00b(TheITAdvisory) however has some issues now due to his big mouth.TheITAdvisory; Watch what you say on the internet, there is always someone around the corner waiting to pounce on you
Steven I would like to first state that This post is not intended to be entertained as slander, in which is what you are stating it means to you.This client that I speak of, had nothing to do with any business dealings between you and I, or any conversations as such on any personal level. In fact the instance in which the majority of my post was about happened between tris, and myself, way before You and I ever spoke.
Indeed I was briefly employed by seeksadmin some years ago (maybe 2), by tris. I never asked for pay, as it was a learning experience, however I was given a login to the portal your company had used at the time. I did also indeed do work on some servers, with the guidance of Tris himself. However, that being said, I was not stating that in this instance i was ever given access to any customers data or your staff, besides Tris himself. What I did state is that of what the client may have said in this situation, after learning of the circumstances. I did however get put in touch with the said client as mentioned to have him interview me.
This above statement again, had nothing to do with you, again it was Tris whom made this promise to me. He is the one whom asked me to talk with this potential customer of your's and he is also the one whom told me That I would be employed had this customer agreed to sign up, after his request of wanting to interview me, which took place Via Yahoo Instant Messenger. It was also said by Tris that my fee was fine, prior to asking me to talk with the customer, however he said he would be able to afford me, once this client signed up, and that I would also be heading up the team which was going to be dedicated to his needs.
Perhaps Tris should have responded to this post, as most of my dealings were with him in particular. The talks between you and I, mostly took part in a MSN conference with tris Himself, as he introduced us. The talks were indeed just talks, about how perhaps we could utilize one another's companies to better meet the needs of consumers, which of course was fine by me. In fact my company has dealings with a lot of larger I.T. consulting firms in the state of New York, and never once is there a conflict of interest, because of the mutual NDA and NCA agreements signed by all parties involved, which is what I approached you with the very first time we met, and spoke business. These types of agreements are very standard in this industry.
In no way, shape or form have I ever had or said I have had the intentions of slagging your business here in NY, had you decided to come here and do business. However I was just making you aware of the amount of competition there is here in this industry especially, hence the offer of dealings between our companies on my part. It was geared towards making it easier for your company to come here and do business, so we can all work together for 1 collective goal, a guide of sorts. I did say to you good luck in bringing your business here, as since you decided that we wouldn't be working together, it was a gesture of kindness, solely.
Again, I would like to state that this post was in no means meant as slander towards your company in any way. It was merely a post to make other people aware of things that may lead to problems for them, a Public Announcement if you will. There is no need to threaten me, or my company with legal actions.
We would also like to ask the moderators to please indeed change the topic of this post, or the wording for which seeksadmin finds it offensive, as again that was not our goal. We would also like to ask the Mods to please remove the link referencing our site in the response posted by Steven, as we also do not wish to be cached to google and other search engines in regards to this matter, as that can also can be considered detrimental to our business model, and slanderous.
All The Best,
Grow up and move on before this causes you more issues " bro "
This is rubbish, Ive talked to Tris personally about this ...Tris seems to back up the OP's claims (in above post) here:"I did indeed say that we would hire you if we got the contract, and indeed we would have done, however due to mitigating circumstances as stated previously we could not do that and we talked on AIM and solved that out, and you stated you understood. At the time of this incident we had issues with paypal, as I am sure anyone who uses paypal for over a certain amount they know that if you have a complaint against you, and you owe money your account is put into a limited profile not being able to send, recieve, "upload" any money. Due to this we lost a lot of money for that month with which we would have paid your sallery with, and when this was coupled with the fraud on our card it was impossible to continue with the employment and as such the contract with the client fell through as they believed they were hiring you."That pretty much sums up exactly with the OP is complaining about.1. He was told he'd have a job if the contract came through.2. Contract came through.3. They couldn't pay OP because their funds were frozen.4. Client cancelled because OP wasn't a part of the deal.Unless I'm misreading things (which has been known to happen) - Tris agreed with the OP regarding the chain of events. I do think that the OP has a right to be disgruntled and it certainly does NOT seem that he's doing this to be malicious. On the other hand, I don't think SA was out to screw the guy over. I see it from both points of view.--TinaThank you Tina, and anyone else whom isnt direct friends or employees of SeeksAdmin for seeing my view in this matter. At least there are some good people still left out there.Many thanks, and GREAT point Tina!Tina indeed. This happened around four months ago, and to both Steven and I it seemed a very odd time to bring it up. There are also a lot of facts in the first post that were incorrect. He suggested we fabricated our issues with paypal and the fraud on our card. Niether of which were fabricated. I could also understand his frustration however we sorted this all out in chats after this. So again I question the timing of this as, as far as I was concerned this was resolved between us ages ago and he understood the situation. So yes I understand why he feels agreaved, it is just the timing of everything seems very strange just as we have started an ad campaign on WHT he decides to popup, especially after what Steven and I percieved to be a threat of running us out of new york business.[EDIT] I could understand why he would be advising people not to look to work for us, however he seems to be trying to stop people hiring us, and that is a totally different matter. Most our staff (all but 2 who act as consultants) are located in our offices, and have no issues with payment or the way the company works. If the paypal and card issues hadn't come up none of this would have happened, they did though - thats life.[EDIT] I could understand why he would be advising people not to look to work for us, however he seems to be trying to stop people hiring us, and that is a totally different matter. Actually from his story this is what i made out :
a. You said you would hire him if client signed up, and he talked to that client persuading him to hire u guys, if i am not mistaken ?
b.So , what happens when client sign ups (thinking OP will be incharge or his server).. Here is what happens, client was
i. never informed of what happened.
ii. has no clue who is actually working on his server.
iii. is shocked to find out the person he expected to work on server is not actually even working for you guys. SO.. is shocked and feels cheated...
So, how is OP wrong, when asking others not to signup with you guys, who cheat/dupe their clients ? What i need to know is why was that "Client" op talked to and signed up with you guys was never informed of who was working on the server (and what are the chances of 2 person having same first name ? ) ... If it was not an intent to Dupe both the OP and Client why was client "SHOCKED" ....
/me awaits an explanation, cause cheating clients = no way of running a business, unless you are cheat yourself, than it justifies your actions.
PS: here is a flash back of bunny with seeksadmin
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Remember what goes around comes around !!
CheersI could also understand his frustration however we sorted this all out in chats after this. So again I question the timing of this as, as far as I was concerned this was resolved between us ages ago and he understood the situation.
So yes I understand why he feels agreaved, it is just the timing of everything seems very strange just as we have started an ad campaign on WHT he decides to popup, especially after what Steven and I percieved to be a threat of running us out of new york business.
I'm a total outsider, but what I see from this is
Tris thinks it was resolved.
TheITadvisory clearly feels it wasn't resolved.
and the situation has festered.
Not taking sides on this, but it looks to me that the situation has not been resolved.Well I thought my last response would be the last to this thread but seems I have to reply to the bunny. So this will be my last response.1. The client was never promised the staff in the interview and would have known this as he only got one staff member from the interview2. The OPs name is Shaun, and the other staff member we had working on it is was called Shawn and a different last name. However at the end of the day there was a mixup and the client believed that Shaun was meant to work for him and didn't. This was our fault for not clarifying a few facts at the start of the process, but the client left and that was all resolved with the client amicabily. We do not cheat any clients and have hundreds of happy clients, although thats not about this. I am sorry about your bad experience with us, bunny. It was two years ago however and as we all know a lot can change in two years. I have even offered you a free month or four free hours of administration to try us out again to prove that it was a one off but you rejected.Incredible... You say 1. The client was never promised the staff in the interview and would have known this as he only got one staff member from the interviewFirst off, this above quoted text from you makes no sense, let me explain;1. The client was never promised the staff in the interview -- as he only got one staff member from the interview - What?Meanwhile, even if it did make sense, as Tina has noted, You said;we lost a lot of money for that month with which we would have paid your sallery with, and when this was coupled with the fraud on our card it was impossible to continue with the employment and as such the contract with the client fell through as they believed they were hiring youSo why in the world would the client think he is getting me, if your last post (the excerpt in which i quoted in the top of mine here) is true? Also, how coincidental that he Thinks he's getting someone named Shaun, but winds up with someone named Shawn? That is pretty interesting!Another question, are you now admitting That I was indeed asked to speak with this client prior to them signing up? Because Steven said that it never happened in his post on here, and on your first post, you strictly stated that Steven and you collaborated on it? So, I beg to ask, if you collaborated on it, how come things are now starting to conflict with what was originally said, now that both of you are on here, sounds like a lot of mis-communication, and as 2 business partners, on separate sides of the world, do you not think you guys should not have stronger and better communication?There are always two sides to a story. I am sure everyone here has had couple of unhappy clients. The OP clearly stated "us techs" are used as mouth pieces and "us techs" are told we would have a job but then we wait few months blah blah...sub standard techs are used in their place..blah blah.
Clearly the OP meant to cause harm to the company. I am not affiliated with seeksadmin however couple of days ago when I was doing a search for a server management company I least read a dozen positive reviews about them. They have paid employees who are paid on time...many happy clients.
So things didn't work with the OP...he waits before seeksadmin runs a campaign on wht..hides fact that he himself is a provider as well as already stated by seeksadmin owners..he had issued the threat long ago anyhow.we have had both sides of the story plus rebuttals. is it possible to close this thread. i don't think any more accusations either way is going to help matters much or help anyone make an honest and well-researched decision.just my 2 cents.
There are always two sides to a story. I am sure everyone here has had couple of unhappy clients. The OP clearly stated "us techs" are used as mouth pieces and "us techs" are told we would have a job but then we wait few months blah blah...sub standard techs are used in their place..blah blah.Clearly the OP meant to cause harm to the company. I am not affiliated with seeksadmin however couple of days ago when I was doing a search for a server management company I least read a dozen positive reviews about them. They have paid employees who are paid on time...many happy clients.
So things didn't work with the OP...he waits before seeksadmin runs a campaign on wht..hides fact that he himself is a provider as well as already stated by seeksadmin owners..he had issued the threat long ago anyhow.
Is it possibleyou don't understand that I have said many times, I never once threatened SA, nor will I ever threaten any company, In fact I could careless about and remote administration, as it's not a main focus of my business, all of my companies work is local. Again, it was nothing more or less then coincidental that I chose to speak up now, in fact I had no idea they were running an ad campaign.