Ok, I have a website (<!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.dikaios.net">www.dikaios.net</a><!-- w -->), which uses Flash for the main site. I also am working on a low bandwidth site for it (<!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.dikaios.net/lowband">www.dikaios.net/lowband</a><!-- w -->). The problem is, I have been using iFrames to do so, and someone told me that they look bad on a Mac (specifically that they have scroll bars everywhere). I tested it in IE and Netscape on a Windows Machine, and on Mozilla on my Linux box, and I can't duplicate the error. Can anyone verify this, and suggest a solution?<!--content-->it must just be him as it should look the same.<!--content-->I think that I solved it. What happened is that some of the iFrames didn't fit quite right, and when this happened, she got scroll bars. However, on the PC, the simple addition of scrolling="no" to the iFrame command got rid of all these. that command doesn't seem to work with the mac. so I went through, and fixed everything that I noticed didn't quite fit, and it seems better (any mac guys wanna test it?). <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.dikaios.net">www.dikaios.net</a><!-- w --> choose low-speed<br />
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Aaron<!--content-->Well, I guess that this is still not fixed. Not only are there no scrollbars on a PC, there is no need for them, because everything fits fine. On a mac however, there are scrollbars. any suggestions?<br />
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Aaron<br />
<!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.dikaios.net/lowband">www.dikaios.net/lowband</a><!-- w --><!--content-->Hey Aaron,<br />
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I checked it on an eMac in Netscape 7.1 and Camino 0.7. I don't see any any scrollbars.<br />
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ListerMint<!--content-->Hi Aaron, <br />
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I tested it on an iMac with OS9 and IE5.1<br />
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It's showing up with bars at PLAYERS and at the sub-menu's of ABOUT. I think it would fit just neatly if the bars aren't loaded. Don't know any immediately solution now.<!--content-->the only way a scrollbar can come out is if the users resolution is under or at 600<br />
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<table width="600"<br />
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you set everything small enough so it shouldn't be a factor. if you don't need a scrollbar then why do you load it on the left?<br />
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<html dir="ltr"><br />
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also you are running in bug mode as you didn't put in the DocType (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.alistapart.com/stories/doctype/">http://www.alistapart.com/stories/doctype/</a><!-- m -->)<!--content-->ok, I added a doctype, and pretty much everything else it said to do at <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://validator.w3.org">http://validator.w3.org</a><!-- m -->. There are however, a couple things that I don't know how to fix. 1. it says that height="18" is not a valid attribute for table. 2. it says both vspace="0" and hspace="0" are not valid attributes for iframe. Now, the vspace and hspace I don't even know if I need, but how can I fix the height problem, and still make the table only 18px high? The background of the table is grey, and the left and rightmost cells have graphics in them that are 9x18px which make the sides of the "nav bar" look rounded. Is there a way to do it?<br />
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Also, I got rid of the dir="ltr" but, it seems there are still scroll bars if viewed on the Mac at my wife's work. I am attaching a jpg of a screen shot she made for me. Hopefully that will help.<br />
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Aaron<br />
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Ps...if you want me to start a new thread for any of the other questions (ie table height, iframe v&h space) just let me know<!--content-->ok here we go.<br />
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height is invalid becasue it is deprecated in html. as so with vspave and hspace. don't use them. you can however add height to the css part for a table.<br />
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<table style="height:18px"><br />
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that will work.<br />
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so your wife is getting the scrollbars in the iframe, why is the monitor like a 13 inch?<!--content-->Thanks for the height help...I'll do that. Also, it's one of those iMAC's where the monitor & computer is all one piece. monitor's gotta be 17" ish. Anyway, she figured out what browser she uses...it's IE 5.1 (yes, IE on a mac...why?). Could that be part of the problem?<br />
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Aaron<!--content-->yes that could be the problem. everything below IE 5.5 treated the iframe as a windowed-element. IE5.5+ treats it totally different. you have more control over it in higher builds of IE.<br />
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I wouldn't worry about it.<!--content-->if that iMac has it's monitor and computer in once piece and isn't a flat-panel then it's 15 inch for sure.<br />
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and btw IE 5.1 for MAC is NOT the same as the windows version.<!--content-->
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Aaron<!--content-->Well, I guess that this is still not fixed. Not only are there no scrollbars on a PC, there is no need for them, because everything fits fine. On a mac however, there are scrollbars. any suggestions?<br />
<br />
Aaron<br />
<!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.dikaios.net/lowband">www.dikaios.net/lowband</a><!-- w --><!--content-->Hey Aaron,<br />
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I checked it on an eMac in Netscape 7.1 and Camino 0.7. I don't see any any scrollbars.<br />
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ListerMint<!--content-->Hi Aaron, <br />
<br />
I tested it on an iMac with OS9 and IE5.1<br />
<br />
<br />
It's showing up with bars at PLAYERS and at the sub-menu's of ABOUT. I think it would fit just neatly if the bars aren't loaded. Don't know any immediately solution now.<!--content-->the only way a scrollbar can come out is if the users resolution is under or at 600<br />
<br />
<table width="600"<br />
<br />
you set everything small enough so it shouldn't be a factor. if you don't need a scrollbar then why do you load it on the left?<br />
<br />
<html dir="ltr"><br />
<br />
also you are running in bug mode as you didn't put in the DocType (<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.alistapart.com/stories/doctype/">http://www.alistapart.com/stories/doctype/</a><!-- m -->)<!--content-->ok, I added a doctype, and pretty much everything else it said to do at <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://validator.w3.org">http://validator.w3.org</a><!-- m -->. There are however, a couple things that I don't know how to fix. 1. it says that height="18" is not a valid attribute for table. 2. it says both vspace="0" and hspace="0" are not valid attributes for iframe. Now, the vspace and hspace I don't even know if I need, but how can I fix the height problem, and still make the table only 18px high? The background of the table is grey, and the left and rightmost cells have graphics in them that are 9x18px which make the sides of the "nav bar" look rounded. Is there a way to do it?<br />
<br />
Also, I got rid of the dir="ltr" but, it seems there are still scroll bars if viewed on the Mac at my wife's work. I am attaching a jpg of a screen shot she made for me. Hopefully that will help.<br />
<br />
Aaron<br />
<br />
Ps...if you want me to start a new thread for any of the other questions (ie table height, iframe v&h space) just let me know<!--content-->ok here we go.<br />
<br />
height is invalid becasue it is deprecated in html. as so with vspave and hspace. don't use them. you can however add height to the css part for a table.<br />
<br />
<table style="height:18px"><br />
<br />
that will work.<br />
<br />
so your wife is getting the scrollbars in the iframe, why is the monitor like a 13 inch?<!--content-->Thanks for the height help...I'll do that. Also, it's one of those iMAC's where the monitor & computer is all one piece. monitor's gotta be 17" ish. Anyway, she figured out what browser she uses...it's IE 5.1 (yes, IE on a mac...why?). Could that be part of the problem?<br />
<br />
Aaron<!--content-->yes that could be the problem. everything below IE 5.5 treated the iframe as a windowed-element. IE5.5+ treats it totally different. you have more control over it in higher builds of IE.<br />
<br />
I wouldn't worry about it.<!--content-->if that iMac has it's monitor and computer in once piece and isn't a flat-panel then it's 15 inch for sure.<br />
<br />
<br />
and btw IE 5.1 for MAC is NOT the same as the windows version.<!--content-->