I made a mistake and posted my site link and was kindly asked to remove it for my sites safety. I Thanked the kind person for i was not thinking at all. I do not dislike vbulletin staff or the fact that they make very nice money off of it. I just cannot find a better forum that makes it so easy to add features andthe GUI is perfect to me. If i could afford it i would pay for it. I am almost to the point where i am ready to use IPB because there is supposed to be a way to make it undetectable by even IPB staff that it is pirated. I set it up locally but it just isnt the same is VB. VB is a terrific community answer to any site but there should be a way for home users to get a version for small website use and charge for those who intend for it to be a buisness site. If there are in fact vbteam monitors on this site, thanks for the great code but no thanks to the very high cost.