Hey,
I am about to create my first link wheel. I am welcoming any tips from those who already did this sort of SEO.
This is basic setup of how will it work:
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web2.0 site1-->web2.0 site2-->web2.0 site3-->my blog
Each of them will send links to my main site as well, but never from main site to them.
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Over time I might put one more blog, or web2.0 site in this wheel (I'm talking about ones like squidoo, xanga, weebly...).
One more thing that I'm concerned about is should I close the circle with my blog-->web2.0 site1, or should I leave it open?
Also is his method of SEO worth investing time in it, because it will consume big amount of it Here are a few things to keep in mind when creating link wheels:
Do not close the wheel. Its best to leave it open.
Dont build them too fast. Do not publish all the link wheel properties at the same time, try publishing every other day or so. For example, create a blog with blogger and publish or bookmark it to social bookmarking sites today, then wait another day or so to create a page with squidoo and so on. any body has linkwheel tutorial ? First, I would like to thank you on very constructive posts.
I will leave my wheel open, and as I was planing I will work on each of them for one day.
Since this is 1st time I am creating such structure, I hope time wont be wasted and I will get some good results. I'd like to know how this works out for you nedox. I find link wheels to be incredibly time consuming also so I haven't really bothered with them. I've been using Posterous.com which allows you to update multiple web 2.0 sites simultaneously. It's probably not quite as effective as the link wheel strategy because essentially it's duplicate content which is also all posted on the same day, but the time/effort ratio might be better. Good luck! yes...i like build linkwhell strategy cuz it can help me dominate some keyword on my country with many competitors...
i agree with satrap dont make link whell at same time... Link wheels, open or closed, are fairly easily detected, with the result that their links are discounted; i.e., the PR that they would otherwise pass is zeroed out in the PR calculation matrix.
Furthermore, simply having each site at the end of a spoke point to the hub alone gains more PR for the hub than if spokes point to spokes as well.
__________________ Web 2.0 sites have a greater ability to get crawled by the search engines and search engines value links placed on web 2.0 sites pointing your site. These links carry authority. In simple words Web 2.0 sites hold more "authority" and give you more "link juice".
So, using Web 2.0 sites to create a "linkwheel" will significantly help in boosting up your rankings at search engine result pages.
A linkwheel is basically a hub and spoke combination of pointing authority driven Web 2.0 sites with unique content to your money site.
Building linkwheels can be very tedious and time consuming but they are a great way to get a significant boost in your website traffic. Quote: Originally Posted by chriskrich878 Web 2.0 sites have a greater ability to get crawled by the search engines and search engines value links placed on web 2.0 sites pointing your site. These links carry authority. In simple words Web 2.0 sites hold more "authority" and give you more "link juice".
So, using Web 2.0 sites to create a "linkwheel" will significantly help in boosting up your rankings at search engine result pages.
A linkwheel is basically a hub and spoke combination of pointing authority driven Web 2.0 sites . Lest anyone be misled by this post, understand that:There is no objectively definitive characteristic of "Web 2;"There is no means of objectively determining whether or not a site is "Web 2;"Search Engines make no effort toward making such determination;"Web 2" is wholly irrelevant and immaterial to "authority" and "link juice;" and,The link wheel topology is wholly independent of any characteristics of the participating sites.
In short, "Web 2" is a buzz phrase that has nothing to do with link wheels.
__________________ Quote: Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom Link baiting is essentially writing content that gets linked to naturally because it is humorous, controversial, compelling, etc.
Many link bait articles are also lists such as "top ten" or "best ways" or "how to's".
I actually run an article directory and I have found that the articles that get syndicate the most widely are non-self-serving high quality articles. Articles that sound like self-serving sales pitches just filter down through the rankings and are never picked up by other bloggers or webmasters.
so far i dont know what is link biting and link wheeling. now i have cleard link biting can you explain what is link wheeling Quote: Originally Posted by deepsand Link wheels, open or closed, are fairly easily detected, with the result that their links are discounted; i.e., the PR that they would otherwise pass is zeroed out in the PR calculation matrix. are you talking from experience of implementing testing and observing effects here ?
Quote: Originally Posted by deepsand Furthermore, simply having each site at the end of a spoke point to the hub alone gains more PR for the hub than if spokes point to spokes as well.
__________________ yes, again from what I've seen there is much more involved than just "PR" and number of links. they can get quite complex these days you know, the days of 6 property closed wheels are long gone.
Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO are you talking from experience of implementing testing and observing effects here ? From my training in the Sciences, and 50+ years of experiences working with data systems and related mathematics.
Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO yes, again from what I've seen there is much more involved than just "PR" and number of links. As addressed elsewhere, you presumably refer to factors in the SERP algorithm, other than PageRank, that are significantly and favorably affected by a link wheel.
What are those factors?
How does a link wheel affect those factors?
How is it that other link topologies cannot do likewise?
Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO they can get quite complex these days you know, the days of 6 property closed wheels are long gone.
That's not a wheel, but a mesh. Calling it a wheel confuses the issue.
__________________ Quote: Originally Posted by deepsand From my training in the Sciences, and 50+ years of experiences working with data systems and related mathematics. that's a "no" then?
Quote: Originally Posted by deepsand As addressed elsewhere, you presumably refer to factors in the SERP algorithm, other than PageRank, that are significantly and favorably affected by a link wheel.
What are those factors?
How does a link wheel affect those factors?
How is it that other link topologies cannot do likewise? see http://www.v7n.com/forums/seo-forum/...ml#post1560800
Quote: Originally Posted by deepsand That's not a wheel, but a mesh. Calling it a wheel confuses the issue. nope, its just that times have moved on. Google image search "link wheel" Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO that's a "no" then? Huh?
Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO nope, its just that times have moved on. It's still a mesh; drawing circles over it won't change that.
__________________ Does link wheel still effective for now? the whole conversation again in case you lost track.
Quote: Originally Posted by deepsand
Link wheels, open or closed, are fairly easily detected, with the result that their links are discounted; i.e., the PR that they would otherwise pass is zeroed out in the PR calculation matrix. Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO
are you talking from experience of implementing testing and observing effects here ? Quote: Originally posted by Deepsand
From my training in the Sciences, and 50+ years of experiences working with data systems and related mathematics. Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO
that's a "no" then? and as for what it is, if linkwheel suppliers call them linkwheels I'll leave it to you to email them all telling them it's actually a mesh.
I just think you should be less vocal about things in which you have no experience. this conversation is not about theoretical PR flow scenarios, it was about how to make a link wheel that works, and the given there is that you really need to have seen one work if not been involved in building them, to have an opinion.
IMO. Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO and as for what it is, if linkwheel suppliers call them linkwheels I'll leave it to you to email them all telling them it's actually a mesh. We are not here to defer to "suppliers" of link wheels, but to assist those present, for which clear speech is essential.
That the intersection of a sphere and a plane is a circle does not serve for calling the sphere a circle.
Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO I just think you should be less vocal about things in which you have no experience. Assumes facts not in evidence.
Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO this conversation is not about theoretical PR flow scenarios, it was about how to make a link wheel that works, and the given there is that you really need to have seen one work if not been involved in building them, to have an opinion. The practical is wholly dependent on the theoretical.
And, the only element of a link wheel that is demonstrably present and of effect in the SERP algorithm is PR. To analyze the flow of such requires no experimentation, but only an understanding of the underlying mathematical function.
Any claims that other characteristics of a link wheel are material to SERP rank require substantiation by those making such claims.
__________________ Quote: Originally Posted by deepsand The practical is wholly dependent on the theoretical. this is where you go wrong in your thinking, I do NOT have to understand the finer points of kinetic energy and acceleration / deceleration to run you down in my car effectively.
Quote: Originally Posted by deepsand And, the only element of a link wheel that is demonstrably present and of effect in the SERP algorithm is PR. To analyze the flow of such requires no experimentation, but only an understanding of the underlying mathematical function. not true at all, are you saying that anchor text has no effect in SERPs? do you really think RSS submission of properties on a grand scale wouldn't have any effect? there are more etceteras, but there's no point.
Quote: Originally Posted by deepsand Any claims that other characteristics of a link wheel are material to SERP rank require substantiation by those making such claims.
__________________ lol. and what would actually serve as a substantiation to you?
whatever you were shown you would argue with and object to because you always know best and I'm hardly about to start outing acquaintances to further your limited knowledge on the subject.
again, I just think it would be better if people only got involved in conversations where they have relevant experience in the subject matter, which is not maths and legacy mainframe IT systems. Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO this is where you go wrong in your thinking, I do NOT have to understand the finer points of kinetic energy and acceleration / deceleration to run you down in my car effectively. But, I can calculate what you can and cannot do!
Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO not true at all, are you saying that anchor text has no effect in SERPs? do you really think RSS submission of properties on a grand scale wouldn't have any effect? Of what relevance to the "special" characteristics allegedly attributable to a link wheel?
Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO and what would actually serve as a substantiation to you? Either incontrovertible material empirical evidence; or, theoretical proof that it cannot not work.
Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO again, I just think it would be better if people only got involved in conversations where they have relevant experience in the subject matter, which is not maths and legacy mainframe IT systems. And those of us who understand the difference between claim and proof think that we could do with more of the later. Otherwise we have naught but claim and counter-claim, with all proclaiming that they hold the truth.
__________________ We do not need two threads going with the same debate, so I am referring to my response in the other thread and closing this one. http://www.v7n.com/forums/1560938-post28.html
Quote: Sometimes we have to simply agree to disagree on these topics.
We simply post our thoughts on the topic and allow the OP to make their own decisions based on the information that has been provided, along with a litte research of their own.
That being said, I would like to provide a few thoughts of my own.
Many years ago, my personal mentor talked to me about shortcuts and doing what is right, just because it is the right thing to do, rather than based on if you can get caught or not. He taught me that shortcuts often end up the longest possible path between any given points, and that sometimes a shortcut didn't just end up taking me longer to get there, but could keep me from reaching my destination at all.
@SmallBusinessSEO - I would assume (correct me if I am wrong) that you would never use link wheels for you or your clients since your site clearly says that you "guarantee a 100% Ethical Search Engine Optimisation service and always work strictly within the best-practice guidelines supplied by Google, MSN and Yahoo!" You then link to those guidelines, which
I am about to create my first link wheel. I am welcoming any tips from those who already did this sort of SEO.
This is basic setup of how will it work:
__________________________________________________
web2.0 site1-->web2.0 site2-->web2.0 site3-->my blog
Each of them will send links to my main site as well, but never from main site to them.
__________________________________________________
Over time I might put one more blog, or web2.0 site in this wheel (I'm talking about ones like squidoo, xanga, weebly...).
One more thing that I'm concerned about is should I close the circle with my blog-->web2.0 site1, or should I leave it open?
Also is his method of SEO worth investing time in it, because it will consume big amount of it Here are a few things to keep in mind when creating link wheels:
Do not close the wheel. Its best to leave it open.
Dont build them too fast. Do not publish all the link wheel properties at the same time, try publishing every other day or so. For example, create a blog with blogger and publish or bookmark it to social bookmarking sites today, then wait another day or so to create a page with squidoo and so on. any body has linkwheel tutorial ? First, I would like to thank you on very constructive posts.
I will leave my wheel open, and as I was planing I will work on each of them for one day.
Since this is 1st time I am creating such structure, I hope time wont be wasted and I will get some good results. I'd like to know how this works out for you nedox. I find link wheels to be incredibly time consuming also so I haven't really bothered with them. I've been using Posterous.com which allows you to update multiple web 2.0 sites simultaneously. It's probably not quite as effective as the link wheel strategy because essentially it's duplicate content which is also all posted on the same day, but the time/effort ratio might be better. Good luck! yes...i like build linkwhell strategy cuz it can help me dominate some keyword on my country with many competitors...
i agree with satrap dont make link whell at same time... Link wheels, open or closed, are fairly easily detected, with the result that their links are discounted; i.e., the PR that they would otherwise pass is zeroed out in the PR calculation matrix.
Furthermore, simply having each site at the end of a spoke point to the hub alone gains more PR for the hub than if spokes point to spokes as well.
__________________ Web 2.0 sites have a greater ability to get crawled by the search engines and search engines value links placed on web 2.0 sites pointing your site. These links carry authority. In simple words Web 2.0 sites hold more "authority" and give you more "link juice".
So, using Web 2.0 sites to create a "linkwheel" will significantly help in boosting up your rankings at search engine result pages.
A linkwheel is basically a hub and spoke combination of pointing authority driven Web 2.0 sites with unique content to your money site.
Building linkwheels can be very tedious and time consuming but they are a great way to get a significant boost in your website traffic. Quote: Originally Posted by chriskrich878 Web 2.0 sites have a greater ability to get crawled by the search engines and search engines value links placed on web 2.0 sites pointing your site. These links carry authority. In simple words Web 2.0 sites hold more "authority" and give you more "link juice".
So, using Web 2.0 sites to create a "linkwheel" will significantly help in boosting up your rankings at search engine result pages.
A linkwheel is basically a hub and spoke combination of pointing authority driven Web 2.0 sites . Lest anyone be misled by this post, understand that:There is no objectively definitive characteristic of "Web 2;"There is no means of objectively determining whether or not a site is "Web 2;"Search Engines make no effort toward making such determination;"Web 2" is wholly irrelevant and immaterial to "authority" and "link juice;" and,The link wheel topology is wholly independent of any characteristics of the participating sites.
In short, "Web 2" is a buzz phrase that has nothing to do with link wheels.
__________________ Quote: Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom Link baiting is essentially writing content that gets linked to naturally because it is humorous, controversial, compelling, etc.
Many link bait articles are also lists such as "top ten" or "best ways" or "how to's".
I actually run an article directory and I have found that the articles that get syndicate the most widely are non-self-serving high quality articles. Articles that sound like self-serving sales pitches just filter down through the rankings and are never picked up by other bloggers or webmasters.
so far i dont know what is link biting and link wheeling. now i have cleard link biting can you explain what is link wheeling Quote: Originally Posted by deepsand Link wheels, open or closed, are fairly easily detected, with the result that their links are discounted; i.e., the PR that they would otherwise pass is zeroed out in the PR calculation matrix. are you talking from experience of implementing testing and observing effects here ?
Quote: Originally Posted by deepsand Furthermore, simply having each site at the end of a spoke point to the hub alone gains more PR for the hub than if spokes point to spokes as well.
__________________ yes, again from what I've seen there is much more involved than just "PR" and number of links. they can get quite complex these days you know, the days of 6 property closed wheels are long gone.
Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO are you talking from experience of implementing testing and observing effects here ? From my training in the Sciences, and 50+ years of experiences working with data systems and related mathematics.
Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO yes, again from what I've seen there is much more involved than just "PR" and number of links. As addressed elsewhere, you presumably refer to factors in the SERP algorithm, other than PageRank, that are significantly and favorably affected by a link wheel.
What are those factors?
How does a link wheel affect those factors?
How is it that other link topologies cannot do likewise?
Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO they can get quite complex these days you know, the days of 6 property closed wheels are long gone.
That's not a wheel, but a mesh. Calling it a wheel confuses the issue.
__________________ Quote: Originally Posted by deepsand From my training in the Sciences, and 50+ years of experiences working with data systems and related mathematics. that's a "no" then?
Quote: Originally Posted by deepsand As addressed elsewhere, you presumably refer to factors in the SERP algorithm, other than PageRank, that are significantly and favorably affected by a link wheel.
What are those factors?
How does a link wheel affect those factors?
How is it that other link topologies cannot do likewise? see http://www.v7n.com/forums/seo-forum/...ml#post1560800
Quote: Originally Posted by deepsand That's not a wheel, but a mesh. Calling it a wheel confuses the issue. nope, its just that times have moved on. Google image search "link wheel" Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO that's a "no" then? Huh?
Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO nope, its just that times have moved on. It's still a mesh; drawing circles over it won't change that.
__________________ Does link wheel still effective for now? the whole conversation again in case you lost track.
Quote: Originally Posted by deepsand
Link wheels, open or closed, are fairly easily detected, with the result that their links are discounted; i.e., the PR that they would otherwise pass is zeroed out in the PR calculation matrix. Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO
are you talking from experience of implementing testing and observing effects here ? Quote: Originally posted by Deepsand
From my training in the Sciences, and 50+ years of experiences working with data systems and related mathematics. Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO
that's a "no" then? and as for what it is, if linkwheel suppliers call them linkwheels I'll leave it to you to email them all telling them it's actually a mesh.
I just think you should be less vocal about things in which you have no experience. this conversation is not about theoretical PR flow scenarios, it was about how to make a link wheel that works, and the given there is that you really need to have seen one work if not been involved in building them, to have an opinion.
IMO. Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO and as for what it is, if linkwheel suppliers call them linkwheels I'll leave it to you to email them all telling them it's actually a mesh. We are not here to defer to "suppliers" of link wheels, but to assist those present, for which clear speech is essential.
That the intersection of a sphere and a plane is a circle does not serve for calling the sphere a circle.
Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO I just think you should be less vocal about things in which you have no experience. Assumes facts not in evidence.
Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO this conversation is not about theoretical PR flow scenarios, it was about how to make a link wheel that works, and the given there is that you really need to have seen one work if not been involved in building them, to have an opinion. The practical is wholly dependent on the theoretical.
And, the only element of a link wheel that is demonstrably present and of effect in the SERP algorithm is PR. To analyze the flow of such requires no experimentation, but only an understanding of the underlying mathematical function.
Any claims that other characteristics of a link wheel are material to SERP rank require substantiation by those making such claims.
__________________ Quote: Originally Posted by deepsand The practical is wholly dependent on the theoretical. this is where you go wrong in your thinking, I do NOT have to understand the finer points of kinetic energy and acceleration / deceleration to run you down in my car effectively.
Quote: Originally Posted by deepsand And, the only element of a link wheel that is demonstrably present and of effect in the SERP algorithm is PR. To analyze the flow of such requires no experimentation, but only an understanding of the underlying mathematical function. not true at all, are you saying that anchor text has no effect in SERPs? do you really think RSS submission of properties on a grand scale wouldn't have any effect? there are more etceteras, but there's no point.
Quote: Originally Posted by deepsand Any claims that other characteristics of a link wheel are material to SERP rank require substantiation by those making such claims.
__________________ lol. and what would actually serve as a substantiation to you?
whatever you were shown you would argue with and object to because you always know best and I'm hardly about to start outing acquaintances to further your limited knowledge on the subject.
again, I just think it would be better if people only got involved in conversations where they have relevant experience in the subject matter, which is not maths and legacy mainframe IT systems. Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO this is where you go wrong in your thinking, I do NOT have to understand the finer points of kinetic energy and acceleration / deceleration to run you down in my car effectively. But, I can calculate what you can and cannot do!
Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO not true at all, are you saying that anchor text has no effect in SERPs? do you really think RSS submission of properties on a grand scale wouldn't have any effect? Of what relevance to the "special" characteristics allegedly attributable to a link wheel?
Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO and what would actually serve as a substantiation to you? Either incontrovertible material empirical evidence; or, theoretical proof that it cannot not work.
Quote: Originally Posted by SmallBusinessSEO again, I just think it would be better if people only got involved in conversations where they have relevant experience in the subject matter, which is not maths and legacy mainframe IT systems. And those of us who understand the difference between claim and proof think that we could do with more of the later. Otherwise we have naught but claim and counter-claim, with all proclaiming that they hold the truth.
__________________ We do not need two threads going with the same debate, so I am referring to my response in the other thread and closing this one. http://www.v7n.com/forums/1560938-post28.html
Quote: Sometimes we have to simply agree to disagree on these topics.
We simply post our thoughts on the topic and allow the OP to make their own decisions based on the information that has been provided, along with a litte research of their own.
That being said, I would like to provide a few thoughts of my own.
Many years ago, my personal mentor talked to me about shortcuts and doing what is right, just because it is the right thing to do, rather than based on if you can get caught or not. He taught me that shortcuts often end up the longest possible path between any given points, and that sometimes a shortcut didn't just end up taking me longer to get there, but could keep me from reaching my destination at all.
@SmallBusinessSEO - I would assume (correct me if I am wrong) that you would never use link wheels for you or your clients since your site clearly says that you "guarantee a 100% Ethical Search Engine Optimisation service and always work strictly within the best-practice guidelines supplied by Google, MSN and Yahoo!" You then link to those guidelines, which